NGD: The Gold Standard

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Congratulations, that’s a steal. If yours is anything like mine you will love it. Mine is dollar for dollar the best value of any guitar that I own. Mine has the titanium nut, and the axecess neck joint, both of those features are usually found on higher end LP’s.

I bought mine stripped from Stratosphere and I still paid more than you did. All in, including a new Gibson hard case, I’m in to mine for just under a grand. I had some parts, and bought some used, but got it together on a budget. I used D. Allen P-51 Mustang pickups, and a 50’s wiring harness with Bourns pots and PIO caps from Tone-man. It plays great, and sounds great. I like the bigger neck.

Even though I paid a bunch more than you did, I still feel like I’ve got a lot of Les Paul for under $1,000.00. The fret ends were finished nicely, the neck feels great. I can live without the. binding.


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That is beautiful. Now I am really jonesing to get my hands on mine.
 
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Securb said:
The Gibson Les Paul Studio, '50s Tribute was no longer available so they sent me a Gibson Les Paul Standard to fulfill the order. The Standard is the least expensive Goldtop they have at MF. The other Goldtops went for 4K.
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Oh!!!!! That's not how I read you post, sorry. Very lucky man you are :-)
 
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Securb said:
The Gibson Les Paul Studio, '50s Tribute was no longer available so they sent me a Gibson Les Paul Standard to fulfill the order. The Standard is the least expensive Goldtop they have at MF. The other Goldtops went for 4K.

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Holy crap!! I missed this part. You got a Standard for Tribute money!?! That’s like the most incredible guitar deal I’ve ever heard of. I thought you got a Tribute. Very fortuitous.


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i like the bb1/bb2 set for the most part. pretty classic lp type tones that sound good clean and dirty and one of the best sets gibson has had since the old days. still paf type pups arent for everyone.

i dont know about the bb2 neck, bb1 bridge. when i got my lp it had the 57+ in the neck and 57 in the bridge and i was fighting to get it to do what i wanted. i could tame the shrill bridge but wanted a little more guts and the neck was always too thick. they ended up coming out even after swapping them but it was much better balanced to me with the + in the bridge. of course what works for me, works for me. what works for itsa, works for him
 
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Securb said:
So in response to Mincer's " That would be a major purchase for me" comment I have to drop a bomb in here that will surely set this thread on fire. The price for the Gibson Gold Top was $399.00 + $24.00 in MA State Tax (I had it shipped to work in MA instead of home in taxfree NH). Not a typo, not $3999.00, three hundred and ninety-nine dollars plus tax for a Gibson Gold Top.

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No frickin way!!
 
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mojosman said:
Holy crap!! I missed this part. You got a Standard for Tribute money!?! That’s like the most incredible guitar deal I’ve ever heard of. I thought you got a Tribute. Very fortuitous.
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No man I got a Standard for $399, it was supposed to be a Tribute for $399. They didn't have the Tribute so they had to sell me a Standard for $399

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Now that is awesome. Congratulations!

I'm a superstrat man, but I am rather partial to the goldtop, both because Jeff Watson used to play one as his main guitar, and because it doesn't have an overblown flame maple top. For some reason I've always liked Les Pauls that were on the plainer side – they don't need the bling.
 
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jeremy said:
i like the bb1/bb2 set for the most part. pretty classic lp type tones that sound good clean and dirty and one of the best sets gibson has had since the old days. still paf type pups arent for everyone.

i dont know about the bb2 neck, bb1 bridge. when i got my lp it had the 57+ in the neck and 57 in the bridge and i was fighting to get it to do what i wanted. i could tame the shrill bridge but wanted a little more guts and the neck was always too thick. they ended up coming out even after swapping them but it was much better balanced to me with the + in the bridge. of course what works for me, works for me. what works for itsa, works for him
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It has to do with how, and what, you play.

I tend to hit a lot harder when I am on the bridge pickup, and a lot softer when on the neck pickup. I use the bridge pickup more for full chord or power chord rhythm, and the neck pickup more for sparse and harmonically simple lyrical/melodic parts.

I do indeed try to balance output/volume as well as I can (neck pickup low, bridge high). But what I don't like is moving their tones closer together as well, like you get with a modern factory balanced set. I don't want my treble pickup to have less treble by having an overwound pickup there.

I also don't use much gain, and no dirt boxes. It's all right hand controlling the dirtiness.

Those are why it works for me and not for others.

It probably has a lot to do with the fact that in my youth, I learned to play on guitars with equally wound pickups (one of which is the '68 SG Standard that I still own). So I naturally learned to play them in a way that made their natural characteristics work for me.
 
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Too bad it's a Gibson (I actually love gold tops). I'll trade you straight across for one of my custom builds (normal price = $3000-4000).
 
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You know, after thinking about it awhile, as great a deal as that sounds like, it wasn't a "deal" at all. It was taking financial advantage of someone's mistake. You can justify that by saying it was a large company with deep pockets and they can absorb the loss (and "loss" is a key word here), or that legally you may have the "right" to force the company to stand behind the ad pricing or the FTC rules and honor their "mistake". But anyway you look at it, it was not very ethical. But I DO have a great deal of respect for the company that was willing to do this. They could have just refused to sell it...knowing that your only recourse would be to sue them (which they knew you wouldn't) or to resort to social media (which probably wouldn't hurt them at all anyway).

I don't mean to condemn you, but I can't support all of the praise everyone is giving you for this.

I am a firm believer in..."just because you have the right to do something, it doesn't mean that doing it is right". I can't remember who said that, but it is a good thought to live by.
 
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I never asked you for your support. Or your moral narrative on my purchase. I work in eCommerce I might know a bit more about retailers than you do. Retailers know they have high and low-value customers. There are bargain hunters that will only shop for clearance items and deals. Retailers know they will take a loss on these customers. The low-value customers are offset by the high-value customers who spend large amounts of capital and buy everything they see. In some ways retail is like a casino, some walk through the doors with a win others with a loss. These wins-losses are built into their prices, the house always wins.

In regards to the law, you are wrong once again. My only recourse would not be to sue the retailer. As consumers, we have protections and resources available to us. On the state level, it is our Attorney General's office on the federal level it is the FTC. A complaint can be filed with either body online within minutes. Once a complaint is filed (for free) it is the decision of that body which party is in the right and if restitution should be made to the consumer. The retailer honored the price not because they were willing to, but because they had to. Please remember they offered me a $200 gift card originally. If I did not know the laws and my rights as a consumer once again the house would have won.

Also, I think you need to look up the definition of "ethical", "conforming to accepted standards of conduct". None of my conduct was deceitful, dishonest or calculated. I saw a guitar I was interested in, inquired and ultimately purchased. If you are not comfortable with the pricing, purchase or process that is on you, and your "high moral standards".
 
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I am a firm believer in..."just because you have the right to do something, it doesn't mean that doing it is right". I can't remember who said that, but it is a good thought to live by.
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You mean like 'Just because GC has the right to destroy small businesses, doesn't mean it is right"

Or the way "Gibson has the right to demand that GC purchase a ton of crappy instruments and force you to shop there, but that doesn't mean it is right"

Or do you mean the way "GC will shaft you at every opportunity if they can get away with it because they have the right, but that doesn't make it right"

Or the way that "Many businesses will bait and switch on sales like that because they have the...." Oh wait - that's actually illegal.

No Effs are given about the morality here. Bruce, I'll send you some Jack Daniels and Ambien if keeps you up at night....
 
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I say spend some time with the BB set. I really like them. BB1/2, BB 2/3 are both good sets IMO. If I wanted a classic sounding all around Les Paul I'd leave them.

Don't get me wrong - we all know I'm about the 500T. But I had another Les Paul laying around on the cheap, just for something different....
 
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Aceman said:
No Effs are given about the morality here. Bruce, I'll send you some Jack Daniels and Ambien if keeps you up at night....
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The thing here is ALL SLAs (software licensing agreements) have an indemnification clause. The indemnification clause protects both parties if defects in the software cause harm. If this was an error in eBay's code, as the retailer claimed, they could recoup their money from eBay. eBay, in turn, will make a claim against the insurance company that backs their indemnification clause.

ALL software has bugs and flaws. The indemnification clause protects the companies when these bugs have adverse financial consequences. If we can assume bugs cause prices to display lower, we can also assume bugs in the past have posted higher prices. I can not remember once where any retailer contacted a consumer to tell them a flaw in their software, charged them too much, and offered a refund.

For these and other reasons, I appreciate your offer of Jack Danials and ambient, but I am sleeping just fine. As you say, no effs given.
 
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Nothing unethical about it at all. They, as a seller, are responsible for making sure that they price their product correctly. If they advertise it at a particular price, then that's what they have to sell it for. Caveat Mercator.
 
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GuitarDoc said:
You know, after thinking about it awhile, as great a deal as that sounds like, it wasn't a "deal" at all. It was taking financial advantage of someone's mistake. You can justify that by saying it was a large company with deep pockets and they can absorb the loss (and "loss" is a key word here), or that legally you may have the "right" to force the company to stand behind the ad pricing or the FTC rules and honor their "mistake". But anyway you look at it, it was not very ethical. But I DO have a great deal of respect for the company that was willing to do this. They could have just refused to sell it...knowing that your only recourse would be to sue them (which they knew you wouldn't) or to resort to social media (which probably wouldn't hurt them at all anyway).

I don't mean to condemn you, but I can't support all of the praise everyone is giving you for this.

I am a firm believer in..."just because you have the right to do something, it doesn't mean that doing it is right". I can't remember who said that, but it is a good thought to live by.
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