I have my main board set where I can chain everything together to the front, or split it and run the color pedals to the loop and dirts to the front. In my "front" line, I run my Wah - NS2 - Green Rhino - OCD - Amp. That sound like the best place for the Wah and NS2? I think thats what I was told before... Just seems to me like you would want the NS2 after the dist pedals.. Thanks
Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?
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Re: Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?
Wah always first for me.
Google NS-2 X-pattern.
Wah always first for me.
Google NS-2 X-pattern.
beaubrummels
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Re: Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?
The NS-2 is a loop, so it would have to be 'around' the dirt pedals, not before or after.
The NS-2 is a loop, so it would have to be 'around' the dirt pedals, not before or after.
MkIII Renegade
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My experience has been that noisegates perform best in the loop, at least with my Boogies. I have an MXR Smartgate there all by its lonesome and the few effects that I use are frontline through my Furman pedal board/power conditioner.
My experience has been that noisegates perform best in the loop, at least with my Boogies. I have an MXR Smartgate there all by its lonesome and the few effects that I use are frontline through my Furman pedal board/power conditioner.
beaubrummels
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Coma
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Hey Bloodrose, here's my setup:
GTR -> Wah -> Tuner -> NS2 in -> NS2 send -> Amp in
Amp FX loop out -> NS2 Return -> NS2 out -> Delay -> Amp FX loop in
I'm not using any OD or dirt pedals, but from what I've gathered, they should be placed between the NS2 send and amp in. So your setup would be:
GTR -> Wah -> NS2 in -> NS2 send -> Dirt pedals -> Amp in
Amp FX loop out -> NS2 Return -> NS2 Out -> Amp FX loop in
What beaubrummels posted above is in accordance with that the NS2 user's manual says, but this has never worked for me. It actually generated more noise. The X pattern works very well. YMMV.
Hey Bloodrose, here's my setup:
GTR -> Wah -> Tuner -> NS2 in -> NS2 send -> Amp in
Amp FX loop out -> NS2 Return -> NS2 out -> Delay -> Amp FX loop in
I'm not using any OD or dirt pedals, but from what I've gathered, they should be placed between the NS2 send and amp in. So your setup would be:
GTR -> Wah -> NS2 in -> NS2 send -> Dirt pedals -> Amp in
Amp FX loop out -> NS2 Return -> NS2 Out -> Amp FX loop in
What beaubrummels posted above is in accordance with that the NS2 user's manual says, but this has never worked for me. It actually generated more noise. The X pattern works very well. YMMV.
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Re: Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?
Technically they are both the same, just sub "dirt" for amp preamp. And yes, BOSS says the NS-2 is not designed to suppress preamp noise, but many find it works.
Technically they are both the same, just sub "dirt" for amp preamp. And yes, BOSS says the NS-2 is not designed to suppress preamp noise, but many find it works.
devastone
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If you are running chorus, delay, reverb, etc... in the loop, put those between the NS2 Out and the Amp FX Loop In.
Also, if the amp's loop level is too high, the NS2 might not like being in the loop. Boss "single" pedals are designed for instrument level signals, not line level. So, if it is giving you problems in the loop, run it in front with the dirt pedals in the NS2's loop.
If you are running chorus, delay, reverb, etc... in the loop, put those between the NS2 Out and the Amp FX Loop In.
Also, if the amp's loop level is too high, the NS2 might not like being in the loop. Boss "single" pedals are designed for instrument level signals, not line level. So, if it is giving you problems in the loop, run it in front with the dirt pedals in the NS2's loop.
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Coma, you run your tuner AFTER the Wah?? Does it matter?? I always thought tuner should go first..
Sorry to seem stupid, but wanna clarify something on the NS2 Diagram prev posted..
Looks like Id run : Guitar into Tuner Or Wah into the upper right port (marked from guitar on diagram). Upper Left (to amp) goes to the CE5 , DL8, Carbon Copy, then into the amp's loop.
The IN Dirt/ To Dirt ports are confusing me. (ALSO, where to put the MXR EQ? I go out of the amps loop to the Green Rhino , OCD, Then into the "In Dirt" port? Then Out to the amp front end??
OR: Out of effects loop, into "in dirt " port, then out from "TO DIRT" to Green Rhino, Ocd then front of amp?
Please clarify.. Also eq goes where??
Sorry guys, Just wanna get it right.. Thanks alot!!!
Coma, you run your tuner AFTER the Wah?? Does it matter?? I always thought tuner should go first..
Sorry to seem stupid, but wanna clarify something on the NS2 Diagram prev posted..
Looks like Id run : Guitar into Tuner Or Wah into the upper right port (marked from guitar on diagram). Upper Left (to amp) goes to the CE5 , DL8, Carbon Copy, then into the amp's loop.
The IN Dirt/ To Dirt ports are confusing me. (ALSO, where to put the MXR EQ? I go out of the amps loop to the Green Rhino , OCD, Then into the "In Dirt" port? Then Out to the amp front end??
OR: Out of effects loop, into "in dirt " port, then out from "TO DIRT" to Green Rhino, Ocd then front of amp?
Please clarify.. Also eq goes where??
Sorry guys, Just wanna get it right.. Thanks alot!!!
beaubrummels
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Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?
Whatever you put between the "send to dirt" and "return from dirt" is what will trigger the noise gate to open.
I wouldn't have the delays before the ods. I would have the ods before the amp and the delays in the amp loop. Unless you are trying to drive the ods with amp sound??
But I wouldn't run the amp loop with delays back through the ns because then the gate will cut off your delay/reverb tails.
There's no law anyway. It can work with delays before distortion.
Whatever you put between the "send to dirt" and "return from dirt" is what will trigger the noise gate to open.
I wouldn't have the delays before the ods. I would have the ods before the amp and the delays in the amp loop. Unless you are trying to drive the ods with amp sound??
But I wouldn't run the amp loop with delays back through the ns because then the gate will cut off your delay/reverb tails.
There's no law anyway. It can work with delays before distortion.
Coma
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Thought so too, but it didn't make any difference for me. So yeah, wah first, then tuner, then noisemakers.
Here's how I'd do it:
1: Guitar -> Wah -> Tuner -> NS2 In
2: NS2 send -> Dirt/OD -> Amp in
3: FX loop out -> NS2 return.
4: NS2 output -> Delay/Reverb/Chorus/etc -> Fx loop in.
This is what works for me. I know it gets confusing with the NS2 out ot being conencted to amp in, but as metnin, the X pattern isn't what the pedal was designed for. It just happens to work very well that way.
So, in your case, I'd put the Green Rhino and OCD between NS2 Send and amp in. And I'd probably put the EQ before NS2 in. But I have no experience with these pedals, so anybody else have a differing opinion, feel free to chime in.
Thought so too, but it didn't make any difference for me. So yeah, wah first, then tuner, then noisemakers.
Here's how I'd do it:
1: Guitar -> Wah -> Tuner -> NS2 In
2: NS2 send -> Dirt/OD -> Amp in
3: FX loop out -> NS2 return.
4: NS2 output -> Delay/Reverb/Chorus/etc -> Fx loop in.
This is what works for me. I know it gets confusing with the NS2 out ot being conencted to amp in, but as metnin, the X pattern isn't what the pedal was designed for. It just happens to work very well that way.
So, in your case, I'd put the Green Rhino and OCD between NS2 Send and amp in. And I'd probably put the EQ before NS2 in. But I have no experience with these pedals, so anybody else have a differing opinion, feel free to chime in.
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So, am I following you correctly that the to amp would go to front of amp and to/from dirt would be from the effects loop?? Sorry if Im being dense.. just wanna get it correct
So, am I following you correctly that the to amp would go to front of amp and to/from dirt would be from the effects loop?? Sorry if Im being dense.. just wanna get it correct
beaubrummels
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Re: Noise gate and Wah- loop or front?
The NS-2 is not intended to be in the FX loop of an amp, but people use it that way and it works for some. It's intended to be a noise gated loop for your overdrive and distortion pedals by itself before ever hitting the amp.
The NS-2 is not intended to be in the FX loop of an amp, but people use it that way and it works for some. It's intended to be a noise gated loop for your overdrive and distortion pedals by itself before ever hitting the amp.
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Im sorry to flog a horse, but Im a "why" guy.. Several of you have recommended the x pattern and its pretty well documented online.. Anyone know why that is more effective than the way the pedal is set up? The pedal appears to be set up to use the straight across connections..(which is how Ive tried to use it) Im going to try the X. Just seems goofy that it doesnt work best the way it was designed.
And also, Im reading this that there is not a "best" order format for my color pedals. So think Ill first try EQ - DL8 - Carbon Copy - Seafoam plus - Holy Grail - loop in.
Seems like the verb should be last at least..
Im sorry to flog a horse, but Im a "why" guy.. Several of you have recommended the x pattern and its pretty well documented online.. Anyone know why that is more effective than the way the pedal is set up? The pedal appears to be set up to use the straight across connections..(which is how Ive tried to use it) Im going to try the X. Just seems goofy that it doesnt work best the way it was designed.
And also, Im reading this that there is not a "best" order format for my color pedals. So think Ill first try EQ - DL8 - Carbon Copy - Seafoam plus - Holy Grail - loop in.
Seems like the verb should be last at least..
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beaubrummels
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I'm not sure what 'straight across connections' means exactly, but the main reason for using the X-pattern in the FX loop of your amp is if part of the noise is coming from the pre section of your amp. If you do use it in an X-pattern in the FX loop of your amp, you still should keep reverbs and delays after the NS-2 output so that the noise gate doesn't kill the tails of your reverb and delay repeats. You really just want it to gate distortion/overdrive portions of your signal. I would include modulation FX also in the NS-2 loop as modulation often brings up noise in the sound; usually you can still hear the swirl when you aren't even playing.
I'm not sure what 'straight across connections' means exactly, but the main reason for using the X-pattern in the FX loop of your amp is if part of the noise is coming from the pre section of your amp. If you do use it in an X-pattern in the FX loop of your amp, you still should keep reverbs and delays after the NS-2 output so that the noise gate doesn't kill the tails of your reverb and delay repeats. You really just want it to gate distortion/overdrive portions of your signal. I would include modulation FX also in the NS-2 loop as modulation often brings up noise in the sound; usually you can still hear the swirl when you aren't even playing.
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