non master volume amps, or master volume amps

Quencho092

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after being here at the forums since july, i got a pretty good idea about how non master volume amps sound vs master volume amps. But how does the volume control affect preamp gain and power amp gain? are they calibrated to be clean up to a certain volume, then after that setting it distorts?
 
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On non master volumes, your gain is dependent on the design of the amp, overall.
You're just pushing tubes to the point of saturation, and it's preamp is working against full volume, not a secondary volume. Considering this, you've got to really choose an amp that has it's operating volume exactly at the volume you'll use it at, or it'll always sound too loud and clean. That's one reason you see a lot of Marshall 100W non mastervolume heads being sold. Very few people need a 100 watter turned past 3. They don't start to sound killer till they're on 5, and that's a volume suited to Madison Square Gardens. Even 50 watters are too much amp if you have no commercial rehearsal space. The problem is the jump down to EL-84's or 6V6.....you may not have the tight bass response you're used to having with 6L6's and EL-34s.
Notice all the boutique Marshall clones coming out that are 1-12 combos with EL-84's.
They're finally starting to make some that simulate a Marshall stack non mastervolume, only in a small quieter combo.

Or, you can choose to use a mastervolume amp, which I tend to prefer, only because I need to have full control over levels without sacrificing tone. You just have to get a really good mastervolume amp, to equal the sound of a typical non mastervolume.
It's all about the power tubes. If they aren't at their optimum operating level, the amp's tone won't thrill you......at least that's the case with me.
 
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If I have a master volume amp, should I keep the Post-Gain and Normal (clean volume) at what sounds best and then adjust the master volume to my liking?
 
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ankalar said:
If I have a master volume amp, should I keep the Post-Gain and Normal (clean volume) at what sounds best and then adjust the master volume to my liking?


Keep turning both until it sounds the best to you.

Personally, I keep going back and forth between the two.
 
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my new favorite setting on my peavey classic (credit to screamingdaisy) is the master volume all the way up, and the preamp gain used for volume. It's great for when i use my hotrod distortion, so when i switch off, i have a very smooth zero preamp distortion signal. It also generates little noise. Oh and how would a 25 watt el84 plexi through 2x12 inch speakers compete with a peavey classic combo, 2x12 speakers loudness wise?

My plan is to get that head A/B switcher that uses a dummy load on the amp that is not being used. I'll then use my peavey classic for cleans and the mini plexi for distortion. Sound like a good plan?
 
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