Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
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sosomething
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Re: Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
Mk IV will cut your ears off with high mids.
Those amps are an exercise in compromise - spend some time with one and you will see. They have a ton of flexibility but the shared EQ and global functions really tie your hands when it comes to getting good sounds across all the channels...
And, as I said, it can be PEAKY AS HELL in the high mids.
For you Jacob, and keep in mind I've listened to a number of your clips through the years and know the kind of tones you go for... I'd probably recommend a newer Splawn Quick Rod with the improved clean channel.
Of course, you're going to buy a Mk IV because your mind was made up before you even posted this thread - you know everything already and no one can tell you otherwise.
Mk IV will cut your ears off with high mids.
Those amps are an exercise in compromise - spend some time with one and you will see. They have a ton of flexibility but the shared EQ and global functions really tie your hands when it comes to getting good sounds across all the channels...
And, as I said, it can be PEAKY AS HELL in the high mids.
For you Jacob, and keep in mind I've listened to a number of your clips through the years and know the kind of tones you go for... I'd probably recommend a newer Splawn Quick Rod with the improved clean channel.
Of course, you're going to buy a Mk IV because your mind was made up before you even posted this thread - you know everything already and no one can tell you otherwise.
SpaceShipOne
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Re: Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
Ha I have no idea Greg! Sweet! I will say they have an incredible clean channel, that's for sure. Sosomething, I looked up John Sykes and Metallica's AJFA gear to be sure and James said they scooped post the guitar tracks so that scraps that and Sykes does so many freakin layers he could make a clean fender sound mushy. The others I'll check out!
Ha I have no idea Greg! Sweet! I will say they have an incredible clean channel, that's for sure. Sosomething, I looked up John Sykes and Metallica's AJFA gear to be sure and James said they scooped post the guitar tracks so that scraps that and Sykes does so many freakin layers he could make a clean fender sound mushy. The others I'll check out!
SpaceShipOne
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Re: Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
Don't be an A hole in my thread. A splawn didn't cross my mind....just looked up prices, probably a little outta the range I wanna spend. Those are literally the best sounding live amps I've ever heard. Recorded they're pretty smooth though. Travis Wyrick uses em on Pillar, Disciple, and Eowyn cd's and recorded wasn't that inspiring. But man that smooth makes a live sound KILL!
Mk IV will cut your ears off with high mids.
Those amps are an exercise in compromise - spend some time with one and you will see. They have a ton of flexibility but the shared EQ and global functions really tie your hands when it comes to getting good sounds across all the channels...
And, as I said, it can be PEAKY AS HELL in the high mids.
For you Jacob, and keep in mind I've listened to a number of your clips through the years and know the kind of tones you go for... I'd probably recommend a newer Splawn Quick Rod with the improved clean channel.
Of course, you're going to buy a Mk IV because your mind was made up before you even posted this thread - you know everything already and no one can tell you otherwise.
Don't be an A hole in my thread. A splawn didn't cross my mind....just looked up prices, probably a little outta the range I wanna spend. Those are literally the best sounding live amps I've ever heard. Recorded they're pretty smooth though. Travis Wyrick uses em on Pillar, Disciple, and Eowyn cd's and recorded wasn't that inspiring. But man that smooth makes a live sound KILL!
JeffB
Let it B
Re: Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
I'm not SoSomething, but whatever:no:
Go check out Youtube clips of Blue Murder...live. Tell me Sykes' tone is all that different without the multitracks.
For NR check out (You can Still) Rock In America, Touch of Madness, Don't Tell me You love Me, etc.
I'm not SoSomething, but whatever:no:
Go check out Youtube clips of Blue Murder...live. Tell me Sykes' tone is all that different without the multitracks.
For NR check out (You can Still) Rock In America, Touch of Madness, Don't Tell me You love Me, etc.
SpaceShipOne
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Re: Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
Hmm, interesting. 300 watt coliseum heads, that would hurt in every area.
There are two accurate reps of the Mark 4 I'm basing on, one is this video of JP's rig with Mark 4's that he even tells you what channels he's using. The rhythm parts mostly, lead is great but lots of delay.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ot-zal0DAu4
And Lamb of God live with their Mark 4's. A very different sound that JP gets, both tones are great to my ears, very present and kicks.
Hmm, interesting. 300 watt coliseum heads, that would hurt in every area.
There are two accurate reps of the Mark 4 I'm basing on, one is this video of JP's rig with Mark 4's that he even tells you what channels he's using. The rhythm parts mostly, lead is great but lots of delay.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ot-zal0DAu4
And Lamb of God live with their Mark 4's. A very different sound that JP gets, both tones are great to my ears, very present and kicks.
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sosomething
Seymour Duncan Customer Support
Re: Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
I'm myself here, there and everywhere - deal with it or put me on your ignore list.
You know how you are.
You ask for advice and then ignore it every single time.
That says less about me and more about you. I'm just pointing it out. Anyway......
Those Disciple guys have gone out of their way to make the Splawns sound as little like Splawns as humanly possible. There is no way they're not low-passing the crap out of the guitar tracks on their records.
That said, it's still a smooth-sounding amp, but the presence knob is your friend in the studio.
Do what you want!
I'm myself here, there and everywhere - deal with it or put me on your ignore list.
You know how you are.
You ask for advice and then ignore it every single time.
That says less about me and more about you. I'm just pointing it out. Anyway......
Those Disciple guys have gone out of their way to make the Splawns sound as little like Splawns as humanly possible. There is no way they're not low-passing the crap out of the guitar tracks on their records.
That said, it's still a smooth-sounding amp, but the presence knob is your friend in the studio.
Do what you want!
SpaceShipOne
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Re: Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
Disciple is the perfect example of a label destroying a band. They changed their music, image, and even gear to suite the label. Now their guitarist and main writer and bassist have left because they can't stand it anymore. And yea, Travis is the "king of commercial" in the Christian industry and everything that comes outta his studio sounds exactly the same. Rubbish.
Disciple is the perfect example of a label destroying a band. They changed their music, image, and even gear to suite the label. Now their guitarist and main writer and bassist have left because they can't stand it anymore. And yea, Travis is the "king of commercial" in the Christian industry and everything that comes outta his studio sounds exactly the same. Rubbish.
BigAlTheBird
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Re: Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
I've read this about 6 times now, were you being serious!? I thought at first "Jakeson HAS to be just joking here!" And then I was like "Well it is Jacoby." And then I was like "But how could he be serious? Seriously!?" And then I was like "But it is Jacrumb."
Dude, Adam was being really nice (especially with his 'I've listened to your clips' comment). Why'd you have to crap in his mouth?
I've read this about 6 times now, were you being serious!? I thought at first "Jakeson HAS to be just joking here!" And then I was like "Well it is Jacoby." And then I was like "But how could he be serious? Seriously!?" And then I was like "But it is Jacrumb."
Dude, Adam was being really nice (especially with his 'I've listened to your clips' comment). Why'd you have to crap in his mouth?
SpaceShipOne
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Re: Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
His comment had nothing to do with the thread and was meant to do nothing but be a butt. Simple as that. Now back to the thread's purpose. I still haven't found much info on the Mark 3 and the differences between the 3 and 4.
His comment had nothing to do with the thread and was meant to do nothing but be a butt. Simple as that. Now back to the thread's purpose. I still haven't found much info on the Mark 3 and the differences between the 3 and 4.
BigAlTheBird
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Re: Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
It did have something to do with the thread. It so had something to do with the thread.
And buy a Marshall. Or if you've got the money, buy a Splawn. But I'd say for you, since you like the mids and don't particularly need a $3k amp, buy a nice used Marshall.
It did have something to do with the thread. It so had something to do with the thread.
And buy a Marshall. Or if you've got the money, buy a Splawn. But I'd say for you, since you like the mids and don't particularly need a $3k amp, buy a nice used Marshall.
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Skarekrough
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Re: Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
You kinda have two choices when it comes to gear.
You can take a chance on lower-end stuff and go through it over time. The upside of this is that you may discover some really great amps and end up liking something you wouldn't have expected. It also keep you busy, keeps you listening, researching, refining, tweaking, possibly modding and looking.
The downside is that at the end of it all you might of blown more money on a handful of other amps that didn't work out for you then you would have spent on getting what you knew would work. You've lost time, money and potentially motivation.
3 grand is alot of money for an amp; I concur. It's alot of money period.
But if you're just interested in pissing through low-end amp after low-end amp that sounds like a Splawn then you have to brace yourself for folks that will tell you that you already know the answer to your question; sell a kidney and buy what you want rather than polling everyone to brainstorm what your next electronic money pit is going to look like.
Scrape up the 3 grand and find out what the deal is. Worst-case scenario is if you buy used and be smart about it that you'll get your investment back.
Certainly thats got to be better than just dumping your wallet into a black hole every nine months or so.
You kinda have two choices when it comes to gear.
You can take a chance on lower-end stuff and go through it over time. The upside of this is that you may discover some really great amps and end up liking something you wouldn't have expected. It also keep you busy, keeps you listening, researching, refining, tweaking, possibly modding and looking.
The downside is that at the end of it all you might of blown more money on a handful of other amps that didn't work out for you then you would have spent on getting what you knew would work. You've lost time, money and potentially motivation.
3 grand is alot of money for an amp; I concur. It's alot of money period.
But if you're just interested in pissing through low-end amp after low-end amp that sounds like a Splawn then you have to brace yourself for folks that will tell you that you already know the answer to your question; sell a kidney and buy what you want rather than polling everyone to brainstorm what your next electronic money pit is going to look like.
Scrape up the 3 grand and find out what the deal is. Worst-case scenario is if you buy used and be smart about it that you'll get your investment back.
Certainly thats got to be better than just dumping your wallet into a black hole every nine months or so.
sosomething
Seymour Duncan Customer Support
Re: Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
Just as a point of reference: A 100-watt Splawn Quick Rod head is $1850.00 brand new direct from the company. You could buy a head and 4x12 cab direct from Splawn and still be under $3k total for a boutique, hand-made half stack.
Just as a point of reference: A 100-watt Splawn Quick Rod head is $1850.00 brand new direct from the company. You could buy a head and 4x12 cab direct from Splawn and still be under $3k total for a boutique, hand-made half stack.
SpaceShipOne
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Re: Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
I hear ya. But the max I'd really want to spend is 1300ish and I've never played a Marshall I liked and Splawns I've already commented on. What I'm probably going to try to do is buy the Mk 4 used and not sell the 5150 and see which I like more then go from there. I don't lose anything nor take chances. Neither of those amps are low end either. Hey, can I put lights in a Mark 4? ha!
I hear ya. But the max I'd really want to spend is 1300ish and I've never played a Marshall I liked and Splawns I've already commented on. What I'm probably going to try to do is buy the Mk 4 used and not sell the 5150 and see which I like more then go from there. I don't lose anything nor take chances. Neither of those amps are low end either. Hey, can I put lights in a Mark 4? ha!
BigAlTheBird
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Re: Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
Mm hmm.
MOf course, you're going to buy a Mk IV because your mind was made up before you even posted this thread - you know everything already and no one can tell you otherwise.
Mm hmm.
SpaceShipOne
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Re: Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
Got a problem with me knowing what I want and looking at other options? Splawns are too much, VHT's I don't like nor Marshalls. Got it? Simple.
Got a problem with me knowing what I want and looking at other options? Splawns are too much, VHT's I don't like nor Marshalls. Got it? Simple.
bungalowbill
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Re: Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
WOW! Jacob, it seems if the folks are honestly giving you their opinions, which you asked for. Take it easy....:27:
My advice is to take your money and your 5150 to the nearest music store with a decent selection and play through a bunch of stuff....only you can really decide....but please take it easy on the brothers who are just trying to help.
WOW! Jacob, it seems if the folks are honestly giving you their opinions, which you asked for. Take it easy....:27:
My advice is to take your money and your 5150 to the nearest music store with a decent selection and play through a bunch of stuff....only you can really decide....but please take it easy on the brothers who are just trying to help.
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Skarekrough
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Re: Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
True.
And roundly most everyone has stated that it would not be a likely solution for him and his needs.
As was once said....either be a good example or a terrible warning.
True.
And roundly most everyone has stated that it would not be a likely solution for him and his needs.
As was once said....either be a good example or a terrible warning.
JeffB
Let it B
Re: Now the downside thoughts of a 5150
Also true and agreed.
I feel for him though. I started a thread a few weeks back about Ibanez's new modelling amp. specifically asking if anyone had tried one/had experience.
Within 10 posts the topic had turned into a anti-modelling, anti-line 6, pro Epi Valve Jr. rant by a few folks. I promptly deleted the thread. We ALL have a tendancy for overzealousness at times.
Also true and agreed.
I feel for him though. I started a thread a few weeks back about Ibanez's new modelling amp. specifically asking if anyone had tried one/had experience.
Within 10 posts the topic had turned into a anti-modelling, anti-line 6, pro Epi Valve Jr. rant by a few folks. I promptly deleted the thread. We ALL have a tendancy for overzealousness at times.
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