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JeffB said:
Re- standing the cab up- Ive done it, but the EVH has those big tilt legs on the side like some Fenders. It doesnt really sit on it in a stable manner.

At some point, Im going to get a different cab..Orange 2x12 or two of the 1x12s.
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If you really want to use that EVH cab vertically, buy a set (4) rubber feet around an inch thick off ebay and attach them on the side that will go on the floor. I did that w/ a 2X12 cab so as to use it either horizontally or vertically.
 
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JeffB said:
Because I can keep the overall volume much lower and it still sounds pushed. The power section crunches up early, and still drives the speakers well..Also, 7 watt mode just reduces plate voltage vs. the DSLs pentode/triode..The Marshall sounds flat/ho-hum until you get the master volume above noon at which point its rattling everything in the house. It has much more headroom. I had to knock the dsl down quite alot to get it attenuated to the same kind of volume levels as the or15 with the master up 1/2 in 15w mode ...at which point the dsl sounds and feels goofy. Some people like the dsl40 at low volume, but I dont like it. Its just pre-amp distortion and no speaker push.

Edit- Dont get me wrong, the OR15 is still loud, its not a normal bedroom volume for an apartment or for when the family is home. Thats what my practice amp is for. But I never got any complaints/comments from the neighbors until I started using the DSL.
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Interesting way of lowering the wattage by plate voltage vs the DSL. I do agree that the pentode/triode mode does change the character sometimes not for the better unless you're still running open. My MkIII is like that. Been kinda curious in the OR myself.
 
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ErikH said:
Interesting way of lowering the wattage by plate voltage vs the DSL. I do agree that the pentode/triode mode does change the character sometimes not for the better unless you're still running open. My MkIII is like that. Been kinda curious in the OR myself.
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I didnt realize the mk3 had that pentode/triode. I really think there are better ways like reduced voltage.

If I could keep the DSL opened up all the time, I wouldnt have replaced it so soon. It sounds very good on the crunch channel when you juice it up. Not nearly as good as an old 22xx, but its a good classic Marshall mv sound. I knew I was takng a risk with the volume when I bought it, but I was hoping the p/t mode or an attenuator would tame it without drastically killing the tone. Not the case.

You get your av30 yet?
 
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JeffB said:
I didnt realize the mk3 had that pentode/triode. I really think there are better ways like reduced voltage.

If I could keep the DSL opened up all the time, I wouldnt have replaced it so soon. It sounds very good on the crunch channel when you juice it up. Not nearly as good as an old 22xx, but its a good classic Marshall mv sound. I knew I was takng a risk with the volume when I bought it, but I was hoping the p/t mode or an attenuator would tame it without drastically killing the tone. Not the case.

You get your av30 yet?
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Yeah, I can take the MkIII from 100 to 50 watts. I usually keep it at the full 100 when I use it.

No AV30 yet. Still waiting. Hopefully this week because we have rehearsals next Sunday. It's not like it'll take long to dial a tone in.
 
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I tested one through the very same cab the other day at a GC in Denver. It sounded flippin' great through those speakers. I was at one time wanting a Tiny Terror or a Dark Terror, but the OR just sounds a cut above those two at all settings. The only bummer the day I tested it was trying moving it to an Orange cab to test it there...the damn thing died on me! We tried it back into the EVH cab, and it was dead. I think it was just the input going bad. It was the floor model and had been beat on for two years by then. I might have been the only one who ever played it to turn it up to stage volume, which was halfway on the gain and volume at around 11 o'clock. Man you can really hear that second gain stage kick in at just past noon on the gain. Very impressive for a 15 watt amp, and it's definitely on my short list of amps to get one day. That, with a Micro Terror as a back up, and my C-Rex loaded 212 would be a nice portable mini stack.

Enjoy! :)
 
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ErikH said:
Yeah, I can take the MkIII from 100 to 50 watts. I usually keep it at the full 100 when I use it.

No AV30 yet. Still waiting. Hopefully this week because we have rehearsals next Sunday. It's not like it'll take long to dial a tone in.
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My memory is shot..I thought your MK3 was a 50 watter.
 
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guitfiddle said:
I tested one through the very same cab the other day at a GC in Denver. It sounded flippin' great through those speakers. I was at one time wanting a Tiny Terror or a Dark Terror, but the OR just sounds a cut above those two at all settings. The only bummer the day I tested it was trying moving it to an Orange cab to test it there...the damn thing died on me! We tried it back into the EVH cab, and it was dead. I think it was just the input going bad. It was the floor model and had been beat on for two years by then. I might have been the only one who ever played it to turn it up to stage volume, which was halfway on the gain and volume at around 11 o'clock. Man you can really hear that second gain stage kick in at just past noon on the gain. Very impressive for a 15 watt amp, and it's definitely on my short list of amps to get one day. That, with a Micro Terror as a back up, and my C-Rex loaded 212 would be a nice portable mini stack.

Enjoy! :)
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I prefer it over the Tiny and Dual as well. I dont have any use for all the gain its capable of, but it is fun once in awhile to jack it up and get that super saturated fat-ass orange tone. But it does the more vintagey sounds great too. It doesnt sound like an original Orange, none of the new stuff really does..but the new OR series sounds very "classic" as the guy who designs them, often says. I run mine the exact opposite of what you said. I go volume noon, gain just shy of 11 oclock. I also have replaced one of the H30s with a M25. It sounds like a "what if"? Amp...what if Orange designed a class A, small bottle, 22xx inspired amp?
 
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OR15's are such cool amps. I always consider selling my Tiny Terror to fund one, but then I plug in and change my mind. I still like the TT too much to sell it. I'll get an OR15 eventually.....it's definitely more of a want than a need.

Also, the OR15 has an FX loop, right? You could even choke off some of the volume by putting something in the loop and turning it down a little. I use an old Alesis Nanoverb for that purpose.
 
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Not that I dont like the TT, Joe, just prefer the OR. Specifically for the separate bmt controls. That shape control is pretty potent, but usually to get the midrange I like, I lose some thump and/or highs. I was reminded of that playing the gain channel on the. TH30.

And yes, tube driven loop. Ive never actually used it..on the old one I sold to Blake, or the new one. I run everything into the front end.
 
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I use it for delay only and it's pretty sweet

I have a big board so it's nice to have a couple things run out of the chain
 
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I went from TT to OR15. Tiny Terror is definitely a cool amp, but it felt like it was missing something. After watching some YouTube videos, decided to take the plunge and get an OR15 (black model with black PPC112). Awesome. Swapped out the stock tubes with Mullards - a bit more clean headroom, but the gain is still there (just doesn't break up at 3 or whatever). For Sabbath with the TT, I'd need to use a treble booster. With the OR15, don't use it at much.


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One other thing to note. OR15 sounds better (to me, at least) through an IRT112 versus a PPC112. Not that the PPC112 is a bad cabinet.


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Gawd, why the HELL would you buy an Orange??Ya know, there are some really really amzing 18 watt Marshalls being made now, with pt. 2 PT. circuitry?
Orange has Abysmall build quality for the price- heck, circuitboard mounted tubes at that cost? !??..absurd.
(Never had an Orange, but I never heard , in clips at least, an Orange that didnt sound like a regular amp with a overdrive distortion in front, except the old vintage ones.
 
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MetalManiac said:
(Never had an Orange, but I never heard , in clips at least, an Orange that didnt sound like a regular amp with a overdrive distortion in front, except the old vintage ones.
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You are right. If you go to youtube and check out orange "demos" by all the typical retailers and personalities, most Orange Demos sound bad, including the OR15. Mostly because every single one of them runs the master volume low, jacks the pre-amp up, tunes down to something, and then does the brootz or other modern metal. They also are often running with V30s, which accentuates the fizz and the hard edges. So yeah..Distortion box.

But the OR15 is much more versatile than that and really can get into a 70s and 80s 22xx type of vibe. It does utilize the same tone stack as a 2203.

here's how to not sound like an 13 year old at GC/Youtube and get some great 70s heavy rock/classic metal tones. Think Schenker, Lifeson, Priest, Aerosmith, Rainbow, Styx, etc. And with the right guitar/pickups/wiring, get some great quasi-vox cleans.

Get rid of the JJ ecc83s first. That eliminates alot of fizz, and nearly every other modern 12ax7 will add some pleasing midrange. I like EHX and Svetlana (nearly the same exact tubes, but sound a little different) for modern production. I have them in V1/2 and I have a Sovtek LPS (long plate) in the PI. The JJ EL84s are not bad.

Run your master at noon- and your pre-amp at 11 oclock. Start getting into noon and above on the pre-amp and you are introducing more and more of that modern Orange tone, and lose that classic crunchy thing going on. If you need gain for a solo-use a boost. if you are using hotter than PAF type pickups, then adjust accordingly.

Decent vintage style british speakers- I run a G12M25, and a 70th Anniversary.

Adjust EQ to taste- I run bass at 2oclock, mids at 1 oclock, and treble at noon, because my les paul is a little light on lows.

I guarantee old Marshall (MV) fans will enjoy the tones. I know, because I am one, and have owned them.

Durability- Sure spend 2.5 to 3 times as much and get a PTP 18w Marshall (btw, I dont like the tone of the 18w Marshalls that much, they don't sound like the OR15, or an old MV Marshall- they have their own thing going on, that is a bit too "bonnamossa" for my tastes).

I have two other amps sitting here in the same price range as the OR15 - Tubemeister 18, and my Marshall DSL40C. The Orange definitely trumps the TM18 as far as fit/finish and looks very clean. The Marshall and the Orange are similar at the board.....but the Orange headshell and fit/finish is definitely better done than the Marshall.

Blake did have an issue with my original OR15 a few months after he bought it from me, but I never had a lick of trouble. We'll see with the new one.

If I was gigging for a living, I wouln't pick any of those amps-but in the price range, I think its acceptable build quality.

At any rate- Don't go basing an opinion on youtube demos, Jerry, get your head out of your butt and go try one.

And FWIW- I have two decent clips of my first OR15 on soundcloud- though its done with an m20/h30, and T tops with modern wiring. I think my current setup with a m25, 50s wiring and the Whole Lottas, is better suited for the amp.
 
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