Old 59
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skyydogg01
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Re: Old 59
Probably from the late 80s/ early 90s. I'm sure they'll sound spectacular.
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Probably from the late 80s/ early 90s. I'm sure they'll sound spectacular.
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EmiAba
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skyydogg01
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Re: Old 59
Awesome!! Post clips if you can. I wanna hear it!
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Awesome!! Post clips if you can. I wanna hear it!
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Jeff_H
Dean Hardtail Fanologist
Re: Old 59
Nope, Lydia Daniels is a D, I have one of her pickups (below). The "L" stands for "Lesona", as in the Lesona winder Seymour bought from Gibson after they moved from Kalamazoo. I'm not sure exactly when they started stamping them that way. I have a Pearly Gates neck that is labeled PGNL. I've never seen it labeled that way on a bridge pickup though.
As for the age of the OP's pickups, the large logo and the black ink on the 59BJ put it into the early 90's at least. The stamps in the early to mid 80's were the lighter blue ink...... and I believe this continued through at least most of the 80's, but I'd have to ask MJ. Not sure when they transitioned to 4 letter black ink stamps. My PG that is labeled PGNL has the black ink and came OEM in a 2002 Dean Hardtail, which I thought was late for that stamp. However, Dean might have just had it in stock from before Hardtail production though. So, the OP's set could even be into the mid/late 90's. In 2002 they went to the small computer printed numerical 2 line labels for better inventory control, so everything before that had the 3 or 4 letter stamps, but....... the 3 letter stamps are older and the 4 letter later.
Here is a pic of my early 80's JB. Approx. 83'-84' according to MJ. Notice there is no baseplate stamp with the SD logo even pushing into the mid 80's.
Nope, Lydia Daniels is a D, I have one of her pickups (below). The "L" stands for "Lesona", as in the Lesona winder Seymour bought from Gibson after they moved from Kalamazoo. I'm not sure exactly when they started stamping them that way. I have a Pearly Gates neck that is labeled PGNL. I've never seen it labeled that way on a bridge pickup though.
As for the age of the OP's pickups, the large logo and the black ink on the 59BJ put it into the early 90's at least. The stamps in the early to mid 80's were the lighter blue ink...... and I believe this continued through at least most of the 80's, but I'd have to ask MJ. Not sure when they transitioned to 4 letter black ink stamps. My PG that is labeled PGNL has the black ink and came OEM in a 2002 Dean Hardtail, which I thought was late for that stamp. However, Dean might have just had it in stock from before Hardtail production though. So, the OP's set could even be into the mid/late 90's. In 2002 they went to the small computer printed numerical 2 line labels for better inventory control, so everything before that had the 3 or 4 letter stamps, but....... the 3 letter stamps are older and the 4 letter later.
Here is a pic of my early 80's JB. Approx. 83'-84' according to MJ. Notice there is no baseplate stamp with the SD logo even pushing into the mid 80's.
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Artie
Peaveyologist
Re: Old 59
Oop! You're right. I must've transposed when I looked at the chart. I didn't know that about the "L". That's cool to know.
Oop! You're right. I must've transposed when I looked at the chart. I didn't know that about the "L". That's cool to know.
Jeff_H
Dean Hardtail Fanologist
Re: Old 59
Thanks. I totally missed the difference in Logo size. I'm still getting the small details down.
I have a question now. If the OP bridge was made from 83-88 with a big logo, then how does MJ date my JB with no logo on baseplate to 83-84?
Thanks. I totally missed the difference in Logo size. I'm still getting the small details down.
I have a question now. If the OP bridge was made from 83-88 with a big logo, then how does MJ date my JB with no logo on baseplate to 83-84?
hamerfan
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Re: Old 59
My system is not perfect, but i bought SDs over 30 years. And i looked for threads on this forum. If someone can help to improve.
I still look for people to confirm or add something:
1. no backlogo, long tag with full model model name: 1976 to late 70ies
2. no backlogo, small tag without winder initial from late 70ies up to ?
3. no backlogo, small tag with winder initial from ? to 1983
4. big backlogo without MiA, small tag with winder initial from at least 1983 to 1988
5. small backlogo with MiA, small tag with winder initial from 1988 to 2002
6. small backlogo with MiA, large tag with SN and Model from 2002 to ?
7. small backlogo with MiA, large tag with date from ? to ?
When did the silk screen front logo come?
My system is not perfect, but i bought SDs over 30 years. And i looked for threads on this forum. If someone can help to improve.
I still look for people to confirm or add something:
1. no backlogo, long tag with full model model name: 1976 to late 70ies
2. no backlogo, small tag without winder initial from late 70ies up to ?
3. no backlogo, small tag with winder initial from ? to 1983
4. big backlogo without MiA, small tag with winder initial from at least 1983 to 1988
5. small backlogo with MiA, small tag with winder initial from 1988 to 2002
6. small backlogo with MiA, large tag with SN and Model from 2002 to ?
7. small backlogo with MiA, large tag with date from ? to ?
When did the silk screen front logo come?
Jeff_H
Dean Hardtail Fanologist
Re: Old 59
Wow, that's a lot. I'm saving that and thank you so much for sharing that 30 years of knowledge. Amazing.
I think the silkscreen front logo came sometime in the mid to late 90's, but when I started ordering shop floor custom's circa 2001-2002 I ordered some with the logo and it was silkscreened. I actually still have a double cream set of APH'S from 02' with the silkscreen logo.
So apparently, 83', 88' and 02' were pivotal years with regard to logo additions and/of changes. I need to keep that in mind and commit it to memory.
Wow, that's a lot. I'm saving that and thank you so much for sharing that 30 years of knowledge. Amazing.
I think the silkscreen front logo came sometime in the mid to late 90's, but when I started ordering shop floor custom's circa 2001-2002 I ordered some with the logo and it was silkscreened. I actually still have a double cream set of APH'S from 02' with the silkscreen logo.
So apparently, 83', 88' and 02' were pivotal years with regard to logo additions and/of changes. I need to keep that in mind and commit it to memory.
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EmiAba
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Re: Old 59
Ok. thanks for the info. This thread has become a small summary of the history of this company and I'm happy with this. I measured the DCR of both pickups and the neck one reads 7.64K and the bridge one reads 8.5K. I think I'll follow the advice of formula73, repotting them before installation. Never done before so I need a little time to understand all the steps (don't want to damage the pickups). starting from your info and browsing the SD site I found out this page:
https://www.seymourduncan.com/faqs/labels-built-before-2002
Ok. thanks for the info. This thread has become a small summary of the history of this company and I'm happy with this. I measured the DCR of both pickups and the neck one reads 7.64K and the bridge one reads 8.5K. I think I'll follow the advice of formula73, repotting them before installation. Never done before so I need a little time to understand all the steps (don't want to damage the pickups). starting from your info and browsing the SD site I found out this page:
https://www.seymourduncan.com/faqs/labels-built-before-2002
Jeff_H
Dean Hardtail Fanologist
Re: Old 59
I've re-potted pickups in the past just using plain parafin wax that you can buy at any hobby store. My wife used to keep it for candle making. I realize it's not the same as the mixes pro pickup makers use, but it works just fine and it's really an easy process.
I've re-potted pickups in the past just using plain parafin wax that you can buy at any hobby store. My wife used to keep it for candle making. I realize it's not the same as the mixes pro pickup makers use, but it works just fine and it's really an easy process.
Chistopher
malapterurus electricus tonewood instigator
Re: Old 59
There needs to be an SD pickup thread with all the stats on all the pickups and this needs to be in it as soon as some of the missing info gets filled out.
There needs to be an SD pickup thread with all the stats on all the pickups and this needs to be in it as soon as some of the missing info gets filled out.
beaubrummels
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Re: Old 59
I haven’t heard of L for Leesona before. I wonder what years that was, if so. FWIW- The web site lists L for Lidia Daniel and D for Debbie Nyquist,
https://www.seymourduncan.com/faqs/labels-built-before-2002
I haven’t heard of L for Leesona before. I wonder what years that was, if so. FWIW- The web site lists L for Lidia Daniel and D for Debbie Nyquist,
https://www.seymourduncan.com/faqs/labels-built-before-2002
Ayrton
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Re: Old 59
I know some still hold onto the 80/20 (bees) wax mix, but there is really no reason to. Paraffin has a lower melting point, so less chance of damaging the pickup.
Stew Mac did an article on it as well
https://www.stewmac.com/How-To/Onli...r_beeswax_Potting_pickups_with_paraffin_.html
I know some still hold onto the 80/20 (bees) wax mix, but there is really no reason to. Paraffin has a lower melting point, so less chance of damaging the pickup.
Stew Mac did an article on it as well
https://www.stewmac.com/How-To/Onli...r_beeswax_Potting_pickups_with_paraffin_.html
EmiAba
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BoogieMKII
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Re: Old 59
I think I got this in the late 70s. Does that seem right? Anything different versus current?
I think I got this in the late 70s. Does that seem right? Anything different versus current?
hamerfan
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Re: Old 59
Yep, I have three of these, too. Some of them have red ink like yours, some have black ink like the later ones. Does that mean anything?
A nice touch is the oval sticker. I have seem it on Repairs / Rewounds of Gibson pickups too.
Yep, I have three of these, too. Some of them have red ink like yours, some have black ink like the later ones. Does that mean anything?
A nice touch is the oval sticker. I have seem it on Repairs / Rewounds of Gibson pickups too.
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