Old Aerosmith Tone

[PUCKBOY99]

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Yeah, "Movin' Out" is in my top 5 Aerosmith songs & that 1st album is a seriously close 2nd to "ROCKS" for me (ROCKS is IMHO the best American rock album ever ) .......If they played an actual solo in "Walkin' The Dog" it might be tied for me; only bad spot on the album for me.

Anyway, you might be right about the panned guitars because when I listen to it thru headphones on the mp3, you hear the separation a little more.

A lot of the guys commenting here are right too. From what I've read & heard, they were & still are gear whores that play anything & everything, so it's a little hard to nail down. In the Joe Perry solo cd, the flip side is a DVD & he shows his guitar collection....just massive. He buys from all around the world when on tour....he has them in cases on shelves with pictures on the front so he knows what's what.

What about "Combination" do you guys like so much? It's one of my least favorite songs on the album....something about the Gucci & Yves St Laurent line that dates it & annoys me :laugh2:

The tune rocks, but mehhh

 

[jdm61]

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Lenny Kravitz came down with laryngitis in Tampa.......not that i was displeased:laugh2: We got a slightly longer set, including a rendition of "Kings and Queens" and an encore of "Come Together" which included a guest vocal appearance by their old pal Robin Zander who lives in Clearwater.......(and they opened with "Helter Skelter") The other guys from Cheap Trick apparently spend a lot of time here as there current label or management company(?)is headquartered in St. Pete. "Combination" has lyrics? :laugh2: Something about the guitar parts and particularly the solo have just always pushed my buttons. Love "Rats in the Cellar"too. The ending of that song is an updated version of the way they used to end"Rattlesnake Shake" back in the early days. They play that on the new live album, but anyone who hasn't heard the live radio version on "Pandora's Box" is really missing out. One of the few times you will ever hear anybody do a Peter Green tune better than old Pete did it:fingersx:

 

[PUCKBOY99]

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VERY COOL......I haven't seen them since high school !!!!

Nice to see there's a few other fans of the old stuff out there:bigthumb: :beerchug:

 

[jdm61]

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And by the way........you can argue that MOST of the great songs are dated........how dated is "Little Deuce Coupe" unless you are rich enough to have something built by Coddington or Foose?:laugh2: A lot of the lyrics from the great rock songs are the product of way too much contemplative time spent hitting the bong.........so be it:fingersx: The MUSIC and playing is still phenomenal.

 

[jdm61]

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I am pretty much exclusively a fan of the old stuff nowadays......just like with ZZ Top......nothing after El Loco:laugh2: Nine Lives had some really good stuff on it as did Pump and Get a Grip, but it has always been my theory that every great band has that one period in their career where they can do no wrong and the problem is always what do you do when the magic is gone? Some guys never have that problem, but is usually because they either break up, die young or go crazy a la Jimi, Beatles, Duane, Green, Janis, Stevie Ray et al. The rest just keep touring and playing the old stuff...:laugh2: For Aerosmith, i consider this period to begin with Get Your Wings and end with the drug soaked bacchanalia that was Draw the Line, althought they were already slipping by then.

 

[Pink Unicorn Horsey]

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What about "Combination" do you guys like so much? It's one of my least favorite songs on the album.

I love the darkness and rawness of it. It's difficult for me to put into words. I find the lyrics very dark (even if they do make reference to Gucci and Yves St. Laurent, for whatever reason). Plus the main riff is so heavy and I like the harmony during the verses. I'm guessing Joe is taking the lower vocal part.

For Aerosmith, i consider this period to begin with Get Your Wings and end with the drug soaked bacchanalia that was Draw the Line, althought they were already slipping by then.

I agree, although I still think their first album is every bit as good but very different from the others in the early period. I feel they went all the way with each album right through "Draw the Line," only went halfway with "Night in the Ruts" then totally slipped. Now it's all commercial mumbo-jumbo. There is one song on "Pump" I like: "Hoodoo Voodoo Medicine Man." This sounds like a song that easily could've appeared on any of the '70s albums.

- Keith

 

[PUCKBOY99]

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I'm at work today & just listened to "Combination" on my lunch break. I dig the music & it is a cool song, but up against some of the others, I still say it's down the list for me.

Talk about dark songs with cool riffs, try "Round & Round" off Toys In The Attic. Talk about a song COMPLETELY different from the rest of the album!!!!

Anyway, I'm glad their last few albums got back to the blues/rock stuff....less poppy.

 

[Pink Unicorn Horsey]

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I was actually thinking about "Round and Round" when I was writing about "Combination." Listen to "Round and Round" on headphones. They do something quite amazing in the control room at the end of the song. As the lyrics repeat "I'm going round and round and round and round..." the music actually sounds like it's swirling around your head. I'm not just talking panning left to right; it's swirling so as it goes left to right it sounds like the music is in front of your head and when it goes back from right to left the music's behind your head. The speed of the swirl increases as the song fades out, too. I think they do this by EQing everything slightly differently on the left-to-right sweep vs. the right-to-left sweep. I'd never heard any headphone effect like that before and I have yet to hear it again. Freakin' brilliant.

- Keith

 

[PUCKBOY99]

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I've got it on the mp3 player....I'll give it a listen later on, but in general, I love listening to the old songs thru headphones. You pick up a lot of different things you otherwise wouldn't.

Try some of the Beatles stuff....and Hendrix.

Sometimes, I think George Martin was the brains behind the Beatles!

 

[Pink Unicorn Horsey]

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Martin was often called "the fifth Beatle" because of his contributions and genius. Sometimes I'll listen to Beatles tunes out of just one speaker to get an entirely different take on a song.

The end of Hendrix's "House Burning Down" is a brilliant headphones moment.

 

[PUCKBOY99]

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Almost a new thread, huh???? :laugh2:

 

[Wattage]

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OK Combination is about the coolest riff going IMO. The way that it sounds like it is almost being vomitted out of the guitar kills me always has. I kind of figure it is an early 60's Strat, one of those LP killers that Fender shot out of their asses back then but with a reverse headstock neck maybe the Tele necked guitar? Then run into a talkbox but only for that moving air sound not trying to make it vocal into a hot low wattage head pushing something like a 1x15. Just my thoughts on it could be wrong but it almost has that baritone guitar sound like my reverse neck Strat and that guitar comes as close to that sound as anything I have tried so far.

JDM if you haven't listened to anything past El Loco from ZZ Top you are missing some great, great stuff. I can understand someone not digging some of the modern weirdo stuff Billy does but there isn't an album he doesn't lay into Pearly on and their is some brilliant stuff you likely haven't even heard since radio treats them like they have the plague these days. Take a chance on Mescalero, Rhythmeen or XXX I doubt seriously you'll be disappointed.

"The street is cold, the dawn is gray
My heart says no but my head says stay
My work is finished, or so I've been told
You can't part the three of us, once we got a hold

I forgot my name
I took a shot on the chin
I'm rearranging my game
Tell by the shape I'm in

In the line of fire, you know what to say
They gave us no choices, just one shade of gray
My legs keep moving, don't seem to stray
But I know each step we take, they're one step away

I found the secret, the key to the vault
We walked in darkness, kept hittin' the walls
I took the time, to feel for the door
I found the secret, the key to it all

I got the Nouveau riche
And dragged it home to bed
I traded you for me
I took it all and said

I find my own fun, sometimes for free
I got to pay it to come looking for me
Walking on Gucci, wearin' Yves Saint Laurent
Barely stay on, 'cause I'm so God damn gaunt

I found the secret, the key to the vault
We walked in darkness, kept hittin' the walls
I took the time, to feel for the door
I found the secret, the key to it all"

 

[PUCKBOY99]

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HHHmmmmm......Joe's response to Steven's "Sweet Emotion" ???????

 

[jdm61]

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Actually, i have bought all of the RCA ZZ Top stuff......mescalero has some good stuff on it......a drastic improvement from the late Warner records. Don't get me wrong.......Eliminator is a very good record, but not exactly my taste......i still think that Tres Hombres is not only the best ZZ Top record, but also one of the truly great rock albums of all time.

 

[Wattage]

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Tres Hombres is Godhead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey JDM I'm gonna be in Clearwater around the 22nd we're going to see Nashville P-ussy @ Masquerades or one of those places in Ybor if ya swing that way let me know and we'll hook up for a beer at the show.

 

[jdm61]

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Masquerade is in Ybor......usually the stomping ground of the pierced and tatooed little 16 to 20-something freaky people:laugh2: i still get a laugh out of the name of that band........swiped from the live version of "Wang Dang Sweet Pontang" Ihaven't listened to Nashville ***** yet. Just bought my first Drive By Truckers CD so i am a bit behind:fingersx:

 

[PUCKBOY99]

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OOOH.....DBT is kicka$$. Which one did ya' get?

Wattage....is the date set yet???

 

[JeffB]

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Masquerade is in Ybor......usually the stomping ground of the pierced and tatooed little 16 to 20-something freaky people:laugh2:

Good friend of mine lived near Ybor..went to see her this summer and we were down there...agreed about tattooed/pierced thing.....though she is too :laugh2:

"Interesting place" nonetheless

 

[Wattage]

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Nashville P-ssy Wed Feb 22 '06 TAMPA, FL - Infinity Room @ Masquerade

We're not playing Terry setting up the show down there just became too much hassle for a one off gig but we're going to the show for sure if you are game. Nashville is a smoking live band and Ruyter is the hottest thing to ever strap on an SG, the bass player is hotter than hell too. They absolutely rock not a show to miss if you love Nuge, AC/DC, ZZ and barroom boogie.

 

[Pink Unicorn Horsey]

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I don't much care for music.