One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

[FELIX57]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

whoever made that spared no expense looks like sperzel locking tuners and i didnt even know they made those with wooden tuning knobs even the humbucker bobbins are wood who makes those? theres even turquoise inlay surrounding the pickup height adjusting screws and i could tell that it was native american inspired before i even saw the dream catcher not my type of guitar but im a guitar fanatic so i can definately appreciate all of its aspects

 

[FireBros.]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

I think that guitar truly pushes the boundaries of the electric guitar luthiers artform. The idea that a tool can only be built to serve an exact purpose, and have no aesthetic value is ridiculous. An artistic person will add extra nonfunctional features to most anything they are involved in, to show how they value or take pride in that object or performance. It's just like putting a little extra soul into a solo or lead riff. We as musicians should understand this more than the average person. If our guitars were purely functional, they wouldn't be shaped like Les Pauls or Strats or Teles. They'd be some kind of weird shape perfectly contoured to each persons body and playing style, or they'd all be just plain plastic rectangles or something. They definitely wouldn't be painted with any cool colors, or have shiny polished finishes. Even a hammer has to look like a hammer for a serious carpenter to consider using it. Yes, most of a hammer's appearance, is the way it is, due to the function it must serve, but if someone came up with a better performing design that looked completely different, I know it would be slow to be accepted, which means that even such a functional tool is still judged, partially, by it's looks.
Of course, if someone doesn't like the way something looks that is perfectly fine, there is no exact definition of good tone, or good looks.

 

[kramer]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

That definitely is a beauty, but I prefer some of the other artisans he has completed and shown here on his forum. To me that is just overkill, I mean I'd be afraid to even take that out of it's case for fear of degrading the value of what is obviously a very expensive guitar.
Matt

 

[PhantomStranger]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

That is a work of art. Kinda hard to believe.

Beautiful.

The only thing that I would change is the name of it. Navajo? What was he thinking?

 

[kramer]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

The only thing that I would change is the name of it. Navajo? What was he thinking?

Ummmm, Navajo Indians.

You'd have to bring the name thing up with Oscar100 on the forum there, he's the one who requested it be named that as it's being built for him. FWIW his other Thorns are named: Madeleine the redwood, jade and oscar so I guess he's on a roll.
Matt

 

[PhantomStranger]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

Yeah, I knew that. I'm half Navajo by the way.
I just think a much better name could have been conceived. Navajo is just overly used. I don't know.
THe guitar rocks though. I've never seen one like that before.

 

[kramer]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

Yeah, I knew that. I'm half Navajo by the way.
I just think a much better name could have been conceived. Navajo is just overly used. I don't know.

Sorry dude, rereading my post I think I may have come across as being slightly condescending...that wasn't my intention. I agree with you that it is one hell of an axe though. I especially like the inlayed top and headstock.
Matt

 

[rinse_master]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

Wow! :saeek: Amazing work.

 

[FretFire]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

I think that guitar truly pushes the boundaries of the electric guitar luthiers artform. The idea that a tool can only be built to serve an exact purpose, and have no aesthetic value is ridiculous. An artistic person will add extra nonfunctional features to most anything they are involved in, to show how they value or take pride in that object or performance. It's just like putting a little extra soul into a solo or lead riff. We as musicians should understand this more than the average person. If our guitars were purely functional, they wouldn't be shaped like Les Pauls or Strats or Teles. They'd be some kind of weird shape perfectly contoured to each persons body and playing style, or they'd all be just plain plastic rectangles or something. They definitely wouldn't be painted with any cool colors, or have shiny polished finishes. Even a hammer has to look like a hammer for a serious carpenter to consider using it. Yes, most of a hammer's appearance, is the way it is, due to the function it must serve, but if someone came up with a better performing design that looked completely different, I know it would be slow to be accepted, which means that even such a functional tool is still judged, partially, by it's looks.
Of course, if someone doesn't like the way something looks that is perfectly fine, there is no exact definition of good tone, or good looks.

Exactly. My intent here was to show a guitar that I simply thought was beautiful and showcased some creative ideas. I never said that's how all guitars should be, or that this was even my ideal guitar, just that it was interesting. If guitars are just tools, why are the majority of us here on this board obessed with owning several different axes? Shouldn't one be enough, assuming we can play the same notes on pretty much all of them?

The trick is that they're not simply the tools we use to play music, but instead they are the tools we use to express ourselves (on more than one plane). Creating an aesthetic appearance that is as individual as we are is just another way of doing that.

TheGZeus, I completely understand where you're coming from here, don't get me wrong. However, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. No biggie, different strokes .

 

[TheGZeus]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

I think that guitar truly pushes the boundaries of the electric guitar luthiers artform. The idea that a tool can only be built to serve an exact purpose, and have no aesthetic value is ridiculous. An artistic person will add extra nonfunctional features to most anything they are involved in, to show how they value or take pride in that object or performance. It's just like putting a little extra soul into a solo or lead riff. We as musicians should understand this more than the average person. If our guitars were purely functional, they wouldn't be shaped like Les Pauls or Strats or Teles. They'd be some kind of weird shape perfectly contoured to each persons body and playing style, or they'd all be just plain plastic rectangles or something. They definitely wouldn't be painted with any cool colors, or have shiny polished finishes. Even a hammer has to look like a hammer for a serious carpenter to consider using it. Yes, most of a hammer's appearance, is the way it is, due to the function it must serve, but if someone came up with a better performing design that looked completely different, I know it would be slow to be accepted, which means that even such a functional tool is still judged, partially, by it's looks.
Of course, if someone doesn't like the way something looks that is perfectly fine, there is no exact definition of good tone, or good looks.

Balance.

Balance of form and function.
The number of non-functional features that are often not even aesthetically advantagous(the inlaid iption just look cheap to me) make this far more form than function.

I don't like Steinbergers either. A move in the opposite direction.

 

[TheGZeus]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

Exactly. My intent here was to show a guitar that I simply thought was beautiful and showcased some creative ideas. I never said that's how all guitars should be, or that this was even my ideal guitar, just that it was interesting. If guitars are just tools, why are the majority of us here on this board obessed with owning several different axes? Shouldn't one be enough, assuming we can play the same notes on pretty much all of them?

The trick is that they're not simply the tools we use to play music, but instead they are the tools we use to express ourselves (on more than one plane). Creating an aesthetic appearance that is as individual as we are is just another way of doing that.

TheGZeus, I completely understand where you're coming from here, don't get me wrong. However, we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. No biggie, different strokes .

Some jobs require a ball-peen hammer, others require a sledgehammer, other simple claw-hammer.
All hammers but serve different functions.

One of my guitars is a 7 string with a floyd rose.
One is a Jazzmaster.
One is a Peavey Limited HB(I hate the flame top's looks, but plugging it in changed my mind about this guitar...SOOO GOOOD) tuned to D.
I have a semi-hollow bass.
I also have a 6 string 30" scale 'baritone' tuned E to e minus one octave.

My next guitar was chosen in part due to it's looks, but largely because I needed a guitar with 2 humbuckers for a particular set of pickups.
The aesthetic choice was mostly for stagewear reasons.
Long story but we needed a particular look overall, and this guitar suited it better than anything else.

 

[FenderStratRock3]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

That's a beautiful piece right there. I have never seen a guitar with absolutely NO plastic on it. That's quite cool.

 

[FretFire]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

Some jobs require a ball-peen hammer, others require a sledgehammer, other simple claw-hammer.
All hammers but serve different functions.

I see your point, but I don't really think hammers are a good comparison to guitars in this instance. I've never seen someone go shopping for a hammer and have them turn one down because it didn't have a red handle, for example. Guitars usually show more of your personal character than something like a hammer or wrench does. The fact is that the guy who ordered this guitar saw fit to request all the cosmetic upgrades, and I'm sure he's completely happy with it, excess in our opinion or not.

 

[TheGZeus]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

I see your point, but I don't really think hammers are a good comparison to guitars in this instance. I've never seen someone go shopping for a hammer and have them turn one down because it didn't have a red handle, for example. Guitars usually show more of your personal character than something like a hammer or wrench does. The fact is that the guy who ordered this guitar saw fit to request all the cosmetic upgrades, and I'm sure he's completely happy with it, excess in our opinion or not.

That kinda proves my point.

If somone did that, you'd laugh.
But of somone won't buy a guitarbecause it only comes in a certain color but they'd go out of their way to get a guitar that's functionally idenntical but comes in said color and even spend MORE no one would say anything.

Granted, there's stage presence to keep in mind, but how many people are playing out on these forums?

There are guitars I plan on getting that are mainly meant for recording and as such, apperance is a non-issue.

 

[Nite_Maresz_25]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

Honestly, its to fancy IMO. And I don't like that blue stuff thats everywhere on it either.
But yes, the guitar is apsolutly amazing.

 

[FretFire]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

That kinda proves my point.

If somone did that, you'd laugh.
But of somone won't buy a guitar because it only comes in a certain color but they'd go out of their way to get a guitar that's functionally idenntical but comes in said color and even spend MORE no one would say anything.

That's exactly why I'm saying hammers and guitars aren't exactly a good comparison here... we care what guitars look like, we usually don't care what our hand tools look like.

This is all missing the point of the thread anyways, I'm not going to argue about something as subjective as an opinion of a guitar's looks.

 

[FretFire]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

Granted, there's stage presence to keep in mind, but how many people are playing out on these forums?

There are guitars I plan on getting that are mainly meant for recording and as such, apperance is a non-issue.

On stage vs. in a studio makes no difference to me, because I don't buy the guitars to impress other people. The aesthetics of a guitar have to be pleasing to ME, I am the one playing it after all. Admittedly, aesthetics come second to playability and tone to me, but if I have say 3 of the same kind of guitar all of different colors, I'm going to buy the one in the color I prefer. It seems to me we just look at guitars differently, which is perfectly fine. Peace.

 

[aleclee]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

That's exactly why I'm saying hammers and guitars aren't exactly a good comparison here... we care what guitars look like, we usually don't care what our hand tools look like.

+1.

Who says "I'm not gonna buy that Stanley hammer 'cause it a butt-ugly color of yellow"?

 

[Nite_Maresz_25]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

+1.

Who says "I'm not gonna buy that Stanley hammer 'cause it a butt-ugly color of yellow"?

I could think of a few people(in my personal life) that would do such a thing.

 

[tfb1990]

Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen

how are u arguing so much? its just what a guy wanted, and who knows, it might play horribly, but on the other hand it might be great! jeez, u dont know, im nto sayin i know, but no one here knows, not tryin to get in the middle but really... whats the point of arguing?