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Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen
Thats an impressive guitar!
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One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen
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Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen
Thing is, no one sees the back of the neck on stage.
No one will see, let alone appreciate, the 'inlaid' options.
Few will be able to see that the bridge and tuner headsare wooden.
PAST overkill.
If it's going to be used on stage then SOME of it's impact is lost.FretFire said:
Thing is, no one sees the back of the neck on stage.
No one will see, let alone appreciate, the 'inlaid' options.
Few will be able to see that the bridge and tuner headsare wooden.
PAST overkill.
Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen
No one else can see you playing it, and you care how it looks?
WHY?
"I'm the one playing it" yeah, PLAYING it, not...GAZING at it lovingly or something.
I say guitars are tools that you happen to wear. As you are wearing them on stage and stage presence matters, the look of the guitar you're playing on stage matters somewhat.
Huh?FretFire said:
No one else can see you playing it, and you care how it looks?
WHY?
"I'm the one playing it" yeah, PLAYING it, not...GAZING at it lovingly or something.
I say guitars are tools that you happen to wear. As you are wearing them on stage and stage presence matters, the look of the guitar you're playing on stage matters somewhat.
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Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen
I think that this has turned into a pretty cool thread. A lot of different opinions, but a lot of cool heads as well. This is why the SD forum is the best ever. We discuss our passion, guitars and music, yet everyone stays cool and sane, and is always apologetic if they step to hard on someone elses toes.
I think that this has turned into a pretty cool thread. A lot of different opinions, but a lot of cool heads as well. This is why the SD forum is the best ever. We discuss our passion, guitars and music, yet everyone stays cool and sane, and is always apologetic if they step to hard on someone elses toes.
Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen
With words conveyed by typing into a computer and transmitting the words in the form of ones and zeros over the internet.
I'm not arguing it's playability.
i'm arguing that this thing is laden with features that add no value.
How am eye arguing?tfb1990 said:
With words conveyed by typing into a computer and transmitting the words in the form of ones and zeros over the internet.
I'm not arguing it's playability.
i'm arguing that this thing is laden with features that add no value.
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FretFire
SingedFingerologist
Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen
Absolutely I care how it looks, and I don't really care what others think of it. I may be playing the guitar, but I don't play it constantly. It's nice to be able to get done playing an instrument, put it on it's wall hanger, and look at with a smile and think "it sounds good AND it looks good". It's about a complete package IMO.
I wouldn't buy a guitar that only looks good, but I would definitely consider a guitar that sounded great but didn't really please me aesthetically. The real magic happens when you find one that pleases your eyes AND your ears though.
Sure the crowd can't see the inlay on the back of the neck of this guitar, but he can. And he can appreciate the guitar during the time he's NOT playing it as well. IMO, the pride of owning a guitar doesn't stop when I take it off.
TheGZeus said:
Absolutely I care how it looks, and I don't really care what others think of it. I may be playing the guitar, but I don't play it constantly. It's nice to be able to get done playing an instrument, put it on it's wall hanger, and look at with a smile and think "it sounds good AND it looks good". It's about a complete package IMO.
I wouldn't buy a guitar that only looks good, but I would definitely consider a guitar that sounded great but didn't really please me aesthetically. The real magic happens when you find one that pleases your eyes AND your ears though.
Sure the crowd can't see the inlay on the back of the neck of this guitar, but he can. And he can appreciate the guitar during the time he's NOT playing it as well. IMO, the pride of owning a guitar doesn't stop when I take it off.
FretFire
SingedFingerologist
Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen
That's the thing though, the value of the features are all in the eye of the beholder. There are no absolutes in this situation.
I agree that there is no arguing going on though, it's pretty peaceful IMHO.
TheGZeus said:
That's the thing though, the value of the features are all in the eye of the beholder. There are no absolutes in this situation.
I agree that there is no arguing going on though, it's pretty peaceful IMHO.
Hot _Grits
Buttery Toneologist
Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen
Personally, I don't like the look. Gotta give the builder his due, though, that's a real piece of work.
Personally, I don't like the look. Gotta give the builder his due, though, that's a real piece of work.
Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen
The top looks like a very nice veneer due to a MORE expensive feature, ditto with the headstock.
Even if you explained the 'inlaid' option, it would take a luthier or a woodworker to understand how hard it would be to achieve(without CNC...Wait, CNC would need to be involved for some of this. This just got alot less amazing unless he somhow made that bridge without it).
What value does that add other than something to stare at and go OOOOh and AAAAAAH by yourself?
That's not a guitar at that point.
It's closer to an inside joke.
The neck is less stable due to the inlay work.FretFire said:
The top looks like a very nice veneer due to a MORE expensive feature, ditto with the headstock.
Even if you explained the 'inlaid' option, it would take a luthier or a woodworker to understand how hard it would be to achieve(without CNC...Wait, CNC would need to be involved for some of this. This just got alot less amazing unless he somhow made that bridge without it).
What value does that add other than something to stare at and go OOOOh and AAAAAAH by yourself?
That's not a guitar at that point.
It's closer to an inside joke.
That90'sGuy
DyzaBoyzologist
Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen
While I see what you're saying and agree somewhat TheGZeus, calling this guitar a "joke" isn't very accurate either.
People will spend their bank accounts any way they want. I prefer tone over cosmetics, but if the cosmetics come with the package then I'm all for it. Obviously, the guy that decided to put down the money on this had one hell of a vision and Ron Thorne would be damned if he couldn't complete it. With or without the aid of CNC, there are some very radical things going on there.
Even though I feel the guitar is a bit too much, I respect the time and quality of the work Ron Thorne does. The inlay work is beautiful, the woods are very beautiful, the craftmanship looks extremely tight and according to the specs, it sounds very toneful (although if that guy actually gigged with that guitar, I'd like to punch him in the throat
).
While I see what you're saying and agree somewhat TheGZeus, calling this guitar a "joke" isn't very accurate either.
People will spend their bank accounts any way they want. I prefer tone over cosmetics, but if the cosmetics come with the package then I'm all for it. Obviously, the guy that decided to put down the money on this had one hell of a vision and Ron Thorne would be damned if he couldn't complete it. With or without the aid of CNC, there are some very radical things going on there.
Even though I feel the guitar is a bit too much, I respect the time and quality of the work Ron Thorne does. The inlay work is beautiful, the woods are very beautiful, the craftmanship looks extremely tight and according to the specs, it sounds very toneful (although if that guy actually gigged with that guitar, I'd like to punch him in the throat
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I have pride in good deals and 'last one' guitars.
"This is the last in this color they made.' or 'this is the only year they panted over that line' or 'I found this NOS 20 years after it was made.'
Other than that I have pride in purchasing Peavey because they off the best value for the money.
Period.
Guitars and amps and PA gear that works, sounds good, plays well, and will always do those things(though it is more humid in Mississippi than....anywhere save New Orleans, I'd imagine) so the fret tangs may eed ONE filing. I did that and my Limited's never had an issue again)
I'm more likely to COMPLAIN about my Jazzmaster(****ing thing cost $300 more than t should and sounds like nothing else on earth...).
My universe i got for an amazing deal.
1400 with case. I wasn't even pals wiht the dude yet.
the Peavey was like 650 listed at 950. Peavey's list prices usually allow for a 20% markdown.
Me Likey having a friend with a guitar shop.
Well i do have pride I bought them all from the guitar shop with the THE MOsT integrity(hence THEIR love for Peavey products) and guts.
Takes balls to look a mob guy in the eye and say "I'm making money at these prices, and I don't see a reason to raise them."
"No, you don't understand, you're gonna lraise these prices."*sets .38 on the counter*
"No, you don't understand." *sets gigantic German .45 on the counter, leaving his hand on it* "My caliber is bigger."
That's not my favorite story.
But I was asked not to repeat some of them.
They involve larger guns.
And more famous people.
In any case how a guitar looks gives me no pride.
I'M not the one that made it look that way.
I have art hanging on my wall. My guitars live in cases.FretFire said:
I have pride in good deals and 'last one' guitars.
"This is the last in this color they made.' or 'this is the only year they panted over that line' or 'I found this NOS 20 years after it was made.'
Other than that I have pride in purchasing Peavey because they off the best value for the money.
Period.
Guitars and amps and PA gear that works, sounds good, plays well, and will always do those things(though it is more humid in Mississippi than....anywhere save New Orleans, I'd imagine) so the fret tangs may eed ONE filing. I did that and my Limited's never had an issue again)
I'm more likely to COMPLAIN about my Jazzmaster(****ing thing cost $300 more than t should and sounds like nothing else on earth...).
My universe i got for an amazing deal.
1400 with case. I wasn't even pals wiht the dude yet.
the Peavey was like 650 listed at 950. Peavey's list prices usually allow for a 20% markdown.
Me Likey having a friend with a guitar shop.
Well i do have pride I bought them all from the guitar shop with the THE MOsT integrity(hence THEIR love for Peavey products) and guts.
Takes balls to look a mob guy in the eye and say "I'm making money at these prices, and I don't see a reason to raise them."
"No, you don't understand, you're gonna lraise these prices."*sets .38 on the counter*
"No, you don't understand." *sets gigantic German .45 on the counter, leaving his hand on it* "My caliber is bigger."
That's not my favorite story.
But I was asked not to repeat some of them.
They involve larger guns.
And more famous people.
In any case how a guitar looks gives me no pride.
I'M not the one that made it look that way.
Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen
Inside jokes require you to understand any things before you can find them funny.
The inlaid top if you explained it to somone who's never had to deal with something this hard to do with wood would say "Why's that a bid deal?"
"Well it'd be really hard to do without chipping out the edges or there being gaps."
"ok....but why did they do it instead of just like, putting different wood around the outside after they put it on the top? Like that other guitar over there."
"......I dunno...."
What I meant is you'd need to understand how rare some of the features are and how hard they'd be to achieve to appreciate the instrument.the_Chris said:While I see what you're saying and agree somewhat TheGZeus, calling this guitar a "joke" isn't very accurate either.
People will spend their bank accounts any way they want. I prefer tone over cosmetics, but if the cosmetics come with the package then I'm all for it. Obviously, the guy that decided to put down the money on this had one hell of a vision and Ron Thorne would be damned if he couldn't complete it. With or without the aid of CNC, there are some very radical things going on there.
Even though I feel the guitar is a bit too much, I respect the time and quality of the work Ron Thorne does. The inlay work is beautiful, the woods are very beautiful, the craftmanship looks extremely tight and according to the specs, it sounds very toneful (although if that guy actually gigged with that guitar, I'd like to punch him in the throat
Inside jokes require you to understand any things before you can find them funny.
The inlaid top if you explained it to somone who's never had to deal with something this hard to do with wood would say "Why's that a bid deal?"
"Well it'd be really hard to do without chipping out the edges or there being gaps."
"ok....but why did they do it instead of just like, putting different wood around the outside after they put it on the top? Like that other guitar over there."
"......I dunno...."
That90'sGuy
DyzaBoyzologist
Re: One of the most amazing guitars I've ever seen
Ah, I see, good point. The value will only be to those guitarists that are the "inside" and know the value and rarity of the wood and other fancy appointments (like the elaborate inlays). It's definitely not the type of guitar you can expect a decent return on because not enough people will really know why it's worth so much or appreciate it's unique visual appointments.
I found it interesting that as crazy as it looks, it was made to also sound great (I still can't ever imagine seeing someone playing that on stage :smack: )
TheGZeus said:
Ah, I see, good point. The value will only be to those guitarists that are the "inside" and know the value and rarity of the wood and other fancy appointments (like the elaborate inlays). It's definitely not the type of guitar you can expect a decent return on because not enough people will really know why it's worth so much or appreciate it's unique visual appointments.
I found it interesting that as crazy as it looks, it was made to also sound great (I still can't ever imagine seeing someone playing that on stage :smack: )
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