Re: "Only a Gibson is Good Enough"
That's just BS. The latest Gibsons are the WORST QC.
That's just BS. The latest Gibsons are the WORST QC.
Re: "Only a Gibson is Good Enough"
Unfortunately, that can't be done. You can't "prove" something that isn't true. They CAN be beaten by many copies.
Unfortunately, that can't be done. You can't "prove" something that isn't true. They CAN be beaten by many copies.
Archer_of_Fish
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Re: "Only a Gibson is Good Enough"
hmmmm
I kind of wonder about that "Gibson can't be copied' sentiment. I have a Domenget Explorer that absolutely crushes any Explorer I have ever encountered...including a 50's original. I have played a few clones that were stunning and about the same price as a new regular USA Gibson.
hmmmm
I kind of wonder about that "Gibson can't be copied' sentiment. I have a Domenget Explorer that absolutely crushes any Explorer I have ever encountered...including a 50's original. I have played a few clones that were stunning and about the same price as a new regular USA Gibson.
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Re: "Only a Gibson is Good Enough"
That's actually very silly! Of course it would be difficult, very time consuming, and very expensive for me to handmake a guitar, or anything for that matter. It's much easier, quicker, and much, much cheaper for a plant that is set up with the right equipment and experienced workers on the assembly line to do it.
Take for example, an alternator in a car. If I were to hand make one of those and purchase all of the necessary tools and materials, it would take me a year to make and probably cost me more than it would cost to buy the entire car already made.
The high cost of Gibsons has nothing to do with the making of the guitars. Otherwise ALL guitars would cost over $2000. Other brands have the same or similar manufacturing techniques and costs. And yet very good quality guitars can be bought for 1/4 the cost of a Gibson.
Give me a break.
That's actually very silly! Of course it would be difficult, very time consuming, and very expensive for me to handmake a guitar, or anything for that matter. It's much easier, quicker, and much, much cheaper for a plant that is set up with the right equipment and experienced workers on the assembly line to do it.
Take for example, an alternator in a car. If I were to hand make one of those and purchase all of the necessary tools and materials, it would take me a year to make and probably cost me more than it would cost to buy the entire car already made.
The high cost of Gibsons has nothing to do with the making of the guitars. Otherwise ALL guitars would cost over $2000. Other brands have the same or similar manufacturing techniques and costs. And yet very good quality guitars can be bought for 1/4 the cost of a Gibson.
Give me a break.
ItsaBass
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Re: "Only a Gibson is Good Enough"
Go play tons of guitars, and buy the one that you love the most that is within your budget. It may be a Gibson, and it may not be.
I can see wanting a Gibson because they have the "proper" proportions for the body type, the attractive headstock design, etc. But don't go around thinking that only a Gibson is good enough. Often they are quite mediocre, if not downright bad. Most of them need significant changes from how they are when shipped in order to perform at their best.
Go play tons of guitars, and buy the one that you love the most that is within your budget. It may be a Gibson, and it may not be.
I can see wanting a Gibson because they have the "proper" proportions for the body type, the attractive headstock design, etc. But don't go around thinking that only a Gibson is good enough. Often they are quite mediocre, if not downright bad. Most of them need significant changes from how they are when shipped in order to perform at their best.
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Jay 77
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Re: "Only a Gibson is Good Enough"
I knew I shouldn't have started this thread.
I knew I shouldn't have started this thread.
Chickenwings
Alnico 6/8
Chickenwings
Alnico 6/8
Re: "Only a Gibson is Good Enough"
I dont think so. I think something that is actually comparable to gibson are the guitars coming out of Kalamazoo being made by Heritage. They are definitely not 1/4 the price of gibsons. They are actually pretty much on par. Paul Reed Smith is another company that would be comparable to Gibson in terms of manufacturing process. The SE line is cheap (comparable to epiphone), but US made PRS are expensive too. Noone seems to complain that Heritage or PRS are overpriced.
Good wood costs money. There is no getting around that. All wood is not created equal. YOu can save a lot of money in manufacturing using the same TYPE of woods, but a different GRADE.
Skilled american labor costs money too. While there are many incredibly skilled craftsman in Japan and China, the fact is that their labor costs less which equates to a cheaper guitar. That is fine, but you cannot say that guitars like gibson, heritage or other US manufacturers are overpriced and still expect them to be made in the US. To say these type of axes are overpriced is almost synonymous with "americans chage too much for labor". If you dont want american built, then get an import. Its simple. Supply and demand is a basic law of economics. Its not worth complaining about. The guys who build guitars deserve to make a living just like anyone else.
There are many ways to build a guitar cheaply...saving on labor is one, using cheaper woods is another. This stuff is not rocket science. If you want a guitar that is made of good sounding tonewoods and is also built in america then you just have to pay for it.
By the same token, if you think Seymour Duncan's american made products are over priced, then there are always products like GFS or tonerider. It does not mean SD is overpriced (far from it). It just means they are made in america in a factory that produces high quality products.
I dont think so. I think something that is actually comparable to gibson are the guitars coming out of Kalamazoo being made by Heritage. They are definitely not 1/4 the price of gibsons. They are actually pretty much on par. Paul Reed Smith is another company that would be comparable to Gibson in terms of manufacturing process. The SE line is cheap (comparable to epiphone), but US made PRS are expensive too. Noone seems to complain that Heritage or PRS are overpriced.
Good wood costs money. There is no getting around that. All wood is not created equal. YOu can save a lot of money in manufacturing using the same TYPE of woods, but a different GRADE.
Skilled american labor costs money too. While there are many incredibly skilled craftsman in Japan and China, the fact is that their labor costs less which equates to a cheaper guitar. That is fine, but you cannot say that guitars like gibson, heritage or other US manufacturers are overpriced and still expect them to be made in the US. To say these type of axes are overpriced is almost synonymous with "americans chage too much for labor". If you dont want american built, then get an import. Its simple. Supply and demand is a basic law of economics. Its not worth complaining about. The guys who build guitars deserve to make a living just like anyone else.
There are many ways to build a guitar cheaply...saving on labor is one, using cheaper woods is another. This stuff is not rocket science. If you want a guitar that is made of good sounding tonewoods and is also built in america then you just have to pay for it.
By the same token, if you think Seymour Duncan's american made products are over priced, then there are always products like GFS or tonerider. It does not mean SD is overpriced (far from it). It just means they are made in america in a factory that produces high quality products.
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Re: "Only a Gibson is Good Enough"
In all honesty, I think the smartest thing to do is take Gibson guitars on a case-by-case basis.
They've been getting a lot better as of late. But their prices are going to keep me buying used ones for the duration of my playing career, I think.
I have an LTD EC1000 that I like more than any "proper" Les Paul I've ever played, with the exception of the '59 Burst I was privileged to play in 2004. But there are still some good ones out there.
I'm more into anything that's NOT a Les Paul, really. I like SGs, especially with P90s. The Explorer Pro is cool, I love their ES339s, and their acoustics are good. The J45 True Vintage is an incredible acoustic guitar.
In all honesty, I think the smartest thing to do is take Gibson guitars on a case-by-case basis.
They've been getting a lot better as of late. But their prices are going to keep me buying used ones for the duration of my playing career, I think.
I have an LTD EC1000 that I like more than any "proper" Les Paul I've ever played, with the exception of the '59 Burst I was privileged to play in 2004. But there are still some good ones out there.
I'm more into anything that's NOT a Les Paul, really. I like SGs, especially with P90s. The Explorer Pro is cool, I love their ES339s, and their acoustics are good. The J45 True Vintage is an incredible acoustic guitar.
KeeperOS
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Re: "Only a Gibson is Good Enough"
And yet you did!!!
Seriosuly, no, it's not only a Gibson that is enough. There are half a dozen companies that build the same or even better product than Gibson, just that there's that extra sth that they can't go to purely because of legal reasons (IIRC it's the headstock and shape of the lower horn?).
Apart from that they're every bit as good.
However, no-one can say anything if you say you WANT that extra sth that the others can't offer.
In that case do what people already mentioned. Take each guitar on a case-by-case basis, find the one that speaks to you, get it and spend many a happy sessions with your new find.
That is all
And yet you did!!!
Seriosuly, no, it's not only a Gibson that is enough. There are half a dozen companies that build the same or even better product than Gibson, just that there's that extra sth that they can't go to purely because of legal reasons (IIRC it's the headstock and shape of the lower horn?).
Apart from that they're every bit as good.
However, no-one can say anything if you say you WANT that extra sth that the others can't offer.
In that case do what people already mentioned. Take each guitar on a case-by-case basis, find the one that speaks to you, get it and spend many a happy sessions with your new find.
That is all
guitfiddle
firstlessonologist
Re: "Only a Gibson is Good Enough"
Except that Gibson didn't come up with that design. It was Ibanez's idea first, back in 1982. They called them the AM models.
Except that Gibson didn't come up with that design. It was Ibanez's idea first, back in 1982. They called them the AM models.
Laughing Kookaburra
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Laughing Kookaburra
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Re: "Only a Gibson is Good Enough"
Sure are. My 2009 Traditional Pro is one of the best guitars I've ever had in my hands. The 93 *may* have been that good before the crappy refret but I'll never know. A lot of the QC issues here relate to the finish. Well, you won't get as much shrinkage with the heavy poly finishes used on Schecter, ESP/LTD, and Agile. I see a lot of misinformation and plain bull****.
There are a lot of intelligent posts in this thread and there are a lot of...other ones. The reality is probably somewhere in the middle.
Sure are. My 2009 Traditional Pro is one of the best guitars I've ever had in my hands. The 93 *may* have been that good before the crappy refret but I'll never know. A lot of the QC issues here relate to the finish. Well, you won't get as much shrinkage with the heavy poly finishes used on Schecter, ESP/LTD, and Agile. I see a lot of misinformation and plain bull****.
There are a lot of intelligent posts in this thread and there are a lot of...other ones. The reality is probably somewhere in the middle.
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