Order the following Tone influencers. What do YOU think?
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beaubrummels
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Re: Order the following Tone influencers. What do YOU think?
Attitude
Ego
Degree of deafness
Pre-rehearsed facial expressions
Hair
Tight pants
Immaturity
Equipment bought for looks
...hey, he didn't say influences 'good' tone.
Attitude
Ego
Degree of deafness
Pre-rehearsed facial expressions
Hair
Tight pants
Immaturity
Equipment bought for looks
...hey, he didn't say influences 'good' tone.
Myaccount876
Amira-Maker
Re: Order the following Tone influencers. What do YOU think?
1) Fingers
2) Sum of Amp + Cab + Guitar + Pickups. They all interact in different ways, and the parts sometimes don't behave at all like they were expected.
Fingers IME are number one, because no matter what different gear I play through, I sound pretty similar. I guess I found my sound, now I need to stop trying to change it. I've played through 6505+'s with SGs, and through various Vox amps/my Bassman 70 with Telecasters, and I still sound pretty similar despite wildly different setups. I can change everything except my fingers (well...I could, but I'm not gonna).
1) Fingers
2) Sum of Amp + Cab + Guitar + Pickups. They all interact in different ways, and the parts sometimes don't behave at all like they were expected.
Fingers IME are number one, because no matter what different gear I play through, I sound pretty similar. I guess I found my sound, now I need to stop trying to change it. I've played through 6505+'s with SGs, and through various Vox amps/my Bassman 70 with Telecasters, and I still sound pretty similar despite wildly different setups. I can change everything except my fingers (well...I could, but I'm not gonna).
EDX
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Re: Order the following Tone influencers. What do YOU think?
body shape is almost as important or more than wood type, since it defines the not only the amount of wood mass (resonating mass) but it's distribution (wich as stated before determines the exact resonating freqs) other wich almost never gets attention, nut some luthiers can confirm, is the truss rod channel size, mentioned by dark lord oder (australian guitar designer from the forum, the info was told to him by a luthier) the shallower the channel the fuller and consistent the vibration of the strings acording him.
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Strap material
Amplification (pedals included)
Body shape
Body Woods
Neck wood
Pickups (electronics also)
Truss rod channel size
neck joint (bolt on sounds snappier, neck through smoth, st in is on between)
Bridge/saddles material
Nut material
fretboard wood
frets material and shape
headstock mass
body shape is almost as important or more than wood type, since it defines the not only the amount of wood mass (resonating mass) but it's distribution (wich as stated before determines the exact resonating freqs) other wich almost never gets attention, nut some luthiers can confirm, is the truss rod channel size, mentioned by dark lord oder (australian guitar designer from the forum, the info was told to him by a luthier) the shallower the channel the fuller and consistent the vibration of the strings acording him.
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Strap material
Amplification (pedals included)
Body shape
Body Woods
Neck wood
Pickups (electronics also)
Truss rod channel size
neck joint (bolt on sounds snappier, neck through smoth, st in is on between)
Bridge/saddles material
Nut material
fretboard wood
frets material and shape
headstock mass
DrNewcenstein
He Did the Monster Mash
Re: Order the following Tone influencers. What do YOU think?
It is Grover Jackson's stance that a heavy guitar gives a thinner tone than a lighter guitar. I think I can trust his opinion on it.
I find all the complaints about Les Pauls being weight relieved hilarious because of that. "But I want a thin-sounding guitar that weighs a ton!" :lol:
In order of influence:
Body material
Thickness of body
Body shape (i.e. silhouette, not whether it's arched or tapered on the edges or if it has round edges or square edges, etc)
Bridge type (hard, TOM, trem, floating trem)
Saddle material
Bridge (body) material
Nut material
Scale length
Neck material
Neck thickness
Fret wire material
Fret wire size
Fretboard material
Thickness of fretboard material
It is Grover Jackson's stance that a heavy guitar gives a thinner tone than a lighter guitar. I think I can trust his opinion on it.
I find all the complaints about Les Pauls being weight relieved hilarious because of that. "But I want a thin-sounding guitar that weighs a ton!" :lol:
In order of influence:
Body material
Thickness of body
Body shape (i.e. silhouette, not whether it's arched or tapered on the edges or if it has round edges or square edges, etc)
Bridge type (hard, TOM, trem, floating trem)
Saddle material
Bridge (body) material
Nut material
Scale length
Neck material
Neck thickness
Fret wire material
Fret wire size
Fretboard material
Thickness of fretboard material
Re: Order the following Tone influencers. What do YOU think?
^ The problem with the heavy guitar statement is that it could be true for certain guitars, but not for others. Even if the originator had '000's of guitars through his hands, thats a tiny fraction ofall guitars ever made. You can make a valid statement for your experience, but still be sampling a fraction too small to make a valid conclusion overall.
^ The problem with the heavy guitar statement is that it could be true for certain guitars, but not for others. Even if the originator had '000's of guitars through his hands, thats a tiny fraction ofall guitars ever made. You can make a valid statement for your experience, but still be sampling a fraction too small to make a valid conclusion overall.
DrNewcenstein
He Did the Monster Mash
Re: Order the following Tone influencers. What do YOU think?
It also depends on each person's definition of "heavy". Some people consider a 9 pound LP light.
It also depends on each person's definition of "heavy". Some people consider a 9 pound LP light.
Re: Order the following Tone influencers. What do YOU think?
Great discussion!
My limited experience tells me the player is the single most significant contributor coupled with pup type and amp.
Everything after that is fine-tuning of those basics.
Although, it always amazes me how much impact pick choice plays on 'tone', but no one ever thinks to mention or discuss it.
I have some vintage picks from the '50s, '60s and '70s and they sound much different than 'modern' picks.
Great discussion!
My limited experience tells me the player is the single most significant contributor coupled with pup type and amp.
Everything after that is fine-tuning of those basics.
Although, it always amazes me how much impact pick choice plays on 'tone', but no one ever thinks to mention or discuss it.
I have some vintage picks from the '50s, '60s and '70s and they sound much different than 'modern' picks.
EDX
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Re: Order the following Tone influencers. What do YOU think?
now if you want to talk about how much weight is considered heavy, for me that could be a 20 pounds guitar, but now that way it would depend on the strength of each person if a guitar is heavy or light
as an interesting fact, grover jackson experimented with guitars having high mass and high resonance, there are still some old jacksons with chambered bodies and strands of lead (enough to make then weight around 10 pounds or so) on different parts of the body i wonder if the added mass and the place and shape of it affected the resonance in some way.....
now if you want to talk about how much weight is considered heavy, for me that could be a 20 pounds guitar, but now that way it would depend on the strength of each person if a guitar is heavy or light
as an interesting fact, grover jackson experimented with guitars having high mass and high resonance, there are still some old jacksons with chambered bodies and strands of lead (enough to make then weight around 10 pounds or so) on different parts of the body i wonder if the added mass and the place and shape of it affected the resonance in some way.....
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VinceT
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Order the following Tone influencers. What do YOU think?
Assuming amplified electric guitar tone before hitting pedals/amp (which can COMPLETELY alter the tone emerging from the guitar):
1 - note choices (where on fingerboard note is fretted)
2 - fingers/pick (how note is played)
PAUSE - at this point, for me, in a blind test 1 and 2 combined could change/counter the tonal effect of most of the original list)
3 - String gauge/pickups (the interaction between metal and magnet)
4 - Neck construction (bolt-on, set, scale length - not wood/fingerboard type)
END SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, BUT:
5 - body wood, 6 - fingerboard (radius, fret type/height and wood), 7 - bridge material, 8 - body shape/weight
These last few are grouped together because they change how I FEEL when playing any guitar, and so affect numbers 1 and 2 directly. I play differently on my Les Paul than on my Music Man than on my Strat, etc. particularly in genre called forth, note choices and playing position.
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Assuming amplified electric guitar tone before hitting pedals/amp (which can COMPLETELY alter the tone emerging from the guitar):
1 - note choices (where on fingerboard note is fretted)
2 - fingers/pick (how note is played)
PAUSE - at this point, for me, in a blind test 1 and 2 combined could change/counter the tonal effect of most of the original list)
3 - String gauge/pickups (the interaction between metal and magnet)
4 - Neck construction (bolt-on, set, scale length - not wood/fingerboard type)
END SIGNIFICANT IMPACT, BUT:
5 - body wood, 6 - fingerboard (radius, fret type/height and wood), 7 - bridge material, 8 - body shape/weight
These last few are grouped together because they change how I FEEL when playing any guitar, and so affect numbers 1 and 2 directly. I play differently on my Les Paul than on my Music Man than on my Strat, etc. particularly in genre called forth, note choices and playing position.
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Hecubus
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Re: Order the following Tone influencers. What do YOU think?
I don't know if you were trying to be funny, but the pick thing is really true for me. My tone is different with a Jazz III than it is with a tortex pick because my picking technique is different with each pick. However, I think the player is always the most important factor. We all know that guy who can play any guitar through any amp and still sound like himself.
I don't know if you were trying to be funny, but the pick thing is really true for me. My tone is different with a Jazz III than it is with a tortex pick because my picking technique is different with each pick. However, I think the player is always the most important factor. We all know that guy who can play any guitar through any amp and still sound like himself.
treyhaislip
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Re: Order the following Tone influencers. What do YOU think?
Synthetic is fake and has no business even being brought up.
jk
For me I think alot of these should be more or less equal but here's my 2 cents worth:
Body Wood
Bridge Type - TOM, Standard Strat, Floyd
Bridge Saddle Material
Body Shape
Fretboard Wood
Neck Wood
Neck Scale
Pickup Magnet
Neck Attachment - Glue v Bolt
Pickup Height Adjustment
String Gauge
Pickup Resonant Peak
Pickup Output
Nut Material
Fret Material
Pole Piece Spacing (correct vs incorrect - trem standard)
Neck Angle - Flat, Angled (from my experience this is more of a setup/tuning thing but I may out in left field on this
)
Synthetic is fake and has no business even being brought up.
jk
For me I think alot of these should be more or less equal but here's my 2 cents worth:
Body Wood
Bridge Type - TOM, Standard Strat, Floyd
Bridge Saddle Material
Body Shape
Fretboard Wood
Neck Wood
Neck Scale
Pickup Magnet
Neck Attachment - Glue v Bolt
Pickup Height Adjustment
String Gauge
Pickup Resonant Peak
Pickup Output
Nut Material
Fret Material
Pole Piece Spacing (correct vs incorrect - trem standard)
Neck Angle - Flat, Angled (from my experience this is more of a setup/tuning thing but I may out in left field on this
)
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