Overdrive/Distortion and "Feel"

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People, it takes the right tubes in the pre-amp to full match your od/dist to your amp. I've spent a month adjusting to new power tubes, today finally I am there my Spina Screamer does what always loved about with my AOR after I've totally re-arranged my tubes in the pre-amp. I really believe that you should have a stable of tubes just like stable of any other gear.
 
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Hiya

I've been playing for a long time, and i can look back from here and see many phases i went through along the way, and there were several 'happy accidents' i stumbled across as a youngster.

One was....(and i still do this to this day, and always will)....play and practice electric guitar totally UNPLUGGED. You can learn how your piece(s) of wood respond to a myriad of techniques and styles, and build a relationship with how you play that guitar and what you can extract from it. You can find ways to make is sound distorted, clean, thick, thin, harmonicailly alive, jazzy, rocky, etc. etc.....all before you plug into an amp. Then, when you do plug in, these things will come alive, in wonderful 3 dimensional ways.

Another thing i discovered ...when i started, there were no master volume controls. That's right !!...I'm a dinosaur and proud of it. To rock things up, i would build little single-transistor boosters and treble boosters (think Dallas Rangemaster style) and slam the front of the amp harder with a still-clean but boosted signal. I still had full dynamic range. I learnt that i would need several amps of varying power-levels so i could set them on a high volume to get into that 'tone zone' and cover all the applications, from bedroom to bar to large halls.

Over the years, the master volume sound has become it's own thing and of course guitar music has become .....errr.....well....MORE of everything, particularly distortion and heavily saturated sounds. And everything much faster. It does seem that with all that, dynamics and articulation are much harder to get through. It is also, IMO, much harder to delvelop an instantly recogniseable tone signiature with high distortion.

WahWah and Hot_Grits are so right in what they say. Strangely, the journey is often kinda backwards....we start off hearing the players of the day and want to play fast and make big statements, and as time goes by, we learn to hear ourselves and go back to slower, simpler and more articulate and really begin to hear ourselves and what we do that is good and what we can improve. As we address those things, speed comes simply because we are playing a lot to improve our styles.

The meanest sounding rock players i have ever heard are usually playing with surprisingly little distortion, the less they use, the more fully dynamic the sound is, all the better to project and really hit the audience hard. It takes a lot of skill and sheer balls to do that, and certainly separates the men from the boys, IMHO. It IS so much easier to sound awesome with a lot of drive and distortion, but again at this point i refer back to what WahWah has to say about this.

Just practice, without an amp and with clean amp sounds, and make honest appraisals about what you are achieving (recording yourself will help greatly with this). And keep working and working at it. It is a lifetime's work, just take baby steps, they all add together over time. As others have said, keep the equipment stuff in perspective, because it really is about the hands (and heart and balls, too, if i may say so).

cheers, neil.
 
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My tone and feeling got better with my ears...
Most of the musicians don't listen to themselves..I don't mean hearing..i mean processing what you're hearing ,and reacting to it...

As far as equipment goes...I know what i like on my tone ,and what i need...I tried alot of gear ,and i know wich effects give me what i need....

I had thi tone ,too harsh ,too bright...sometimes too dark or thick...But... i learned how to dial the stuff...It needs patience and patience..Nothing but nothing can help you achieving your own tone.Only you!

For many people ,hi-gain is a good way to hide...
But hi-gain needs control...Everything you touch pops out ,every string you "forget" rings out...Every intonation problem jumps out and makes some stupid noise...So Hi-gain is not allways the salvation.It can be a curse if you can't control it!

Playing fast isn't a talent!tough i can play my fastest riff "allmost" perfect on 250 bpm(quarter notes) ,i wouldn't tell that's a talent.I played those notes so much ,my palm muting got constant ,and my picking stable...But i try to alterntae my picking stability ,so that my "rythm" stays the same ,but my groove and dynamics shine...HArd work..That's what i am working on now...Chamimg the picking position ,using the harmonics in lower those on fast stuff etc...

I was amp testing last week...I played 3 Hi-Gain amps...different Engl ,Peavey and Line6/bogner...You know what? My lead sound was allmost all the same...The tone was different ,but the feeling was the same...
 
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For me, I just get an amp that's made for high gain, use the instruction manual for that setting (or any of the amp's settings FTM), and has that perfect sound of gain I want. Simple as 1,2,3. :)
 
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Fair dinkum cobber, I don't know what you're jabbering on about, all us Aussie blokes and sheilas are bloody grouse and we all talk proper. It's them cuzzy bro Kiwis like Hot_Grits that talk funny. And we can only understand youse Yanks coz we had Gilligan's Island on the telly when we were whipper snappers.



Crikey............................wahwah

Better to slur a few consonants into vowels than sound to sound like a throttled chook, Maaaate.

The New Zealand accent is like listening to a nicely maintained brownface vibrolux, compared to the 80s red knob solid state princeton chorus of a dialect that is the Australian accent...
 
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Originally Posted by wahwah View Post
Fair dinkum cobber, I don't know what you're jabbering on about, all us Aussie blokes and sheilas are bloody grouse and we all talk proper. It's them cuzzy bro Kiwis like Hot_Grits that talk funny. And we can only understand youse Yanks coz we had Gilligan's Island on the telly when we were whipper snappers.

Crikey............................wahwah


Originally posted by Hot_Grits

Better to slur a few consonants into vowels than sound to sound like a throttled chook, Maaaate.

The New Zealand accent is like listening to a nicely maintained brownface vibrolux, compared to the 80s red knob solid state princeton chorus of a dialect that is the Australian accent...



HAHAHA !! I look forward to the comeback with great anticpation, hehe....

....well, i guess it IS all about the tone and the feel and distortion....of language......

....so i was wrong, it isn't just all in the fingers,......:friday:
 
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The New Zealand accent is like listening to a nicely maintained brownface vibrolux, compared to the 80s red knob solid state princeton chorus of a dialect that is the Australian accent...

Hmmm...must be in the ear of the beholder...I always found the New Zealand accent to be more akin to a Roland Cube, vaguely functional but devoid of any real colour of its own.....your turn cuz!



Cheers.............................wahwah
 
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Hmmm...must be in the ear of the beholder...I always found the New Zealand accent to be more akin to a Roland Cube, vaguely functional but devoid of any real colour of its own.....your turn cuz!



Cheers.............................wahwah

Better functional than crowd-thinningly harsh and godawful. I tend to believe the recent theory going around that Australians are descended not from convicts but from chickens: "Faaaaark fark fark fark..."

If accents were guitar styles, Aussies would be bedroom shredders and Kiwis would be seasoned bluesmen. The Ocker accent is second only to the South African accent (chorus pedal on the blink?) in terms of relative transcendent horribleness.
 
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If accents were guitar styles, Aussies would be bedroom shredders and Kiwis would be seasoned bluesmen. The Ocker accent is second only to the South African accent (chorus pedal on the blink?) in terms of relative transcendent horribleness.

That's an interesting observation H_G, because quite often when I meet one of the tens of thousands of Kiwis who move to Australia to experience civilization, I find myself asking "so where in South Africa are you from?" I'm always surprised when they say,"No bro, I'm from Whydidyakickamoocow, New Zilland bro, eh."



Cheers...............................wahwah
 
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That's an interesting observation H_G, because quite often when I meet one of the tens of thousands of Kiwis who move to Australia to experience civilization, I find myself asking "so where in South Africa are you from?" I'm always surprised when they say,"No bro, I'm from Whydidyakickamoocow, New Zilland bro, eh."



Cheers...............................wahwah

To experience civilization? -Kiwis leaving for OZ are the ones that somehow feel the need to relocate to a redneck wonderland. Sure, you're from Melbourne, but you tour. Deliverance, anyone?

I also refer you to the previous 'raising IQs of both countries' argument.

There is the odd exception, however. John Clarke left because, as a satirist, he correctly figured out that the options for parody were far greater in the land of sh*t beer and uranium-based Yank-love.

As for the rest, you're welcome to them. Especially Russell Crowe. Judging by what he's up to at that league club, it's possible he relocated due to the overwhelming array of man-love options available in See-dneey (surely contender for the most vacuous yuppie hell-hole on the face of he planet). Perhaps following the lead of Mark Williams?
 
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To experience civilization? -Kiwis leaving for OZ are the ones that somehow feel the need to relocate to a redneck wonderland. Sure, you're from Melbourne, but you tour. Deliverance, anyone?

I also refer you to the previous 'raising IQs of both countries' argument.

There is the odd exception, however. John Clarke left because, as a satirist, he correctly figured out that the options for parody were far greater in the land of sh*t beer and uranium-based Yank-love.

As for the rest, you're welcome to them. Especially Russell Crowe. Judging by what he's up to at that league club, it's possible he relocated due to the overwhelming array of man-love options available in See-dneey (surely contender for the most vacuous yuppie hell-hole on the face of he planet). Perhaps following the lead of Mark Williams?


Ooh, you've really raised some issues there H_G. Yes, Sydney is a hole, no doubt. Nice harbour, but that's about it. We definitely consider Russell Crowe a New Zealander, and Mark Williams seems to have set the precedent for the work ethic for many of our Kiwi immigrants. Are you suggesting that there aren't any rednecks in NZ? Does that mean they've all moved here? Having said that, one of my favourite rhythm sections here in Melbourne are a couple of Maori boys, Davey Porter and Chris Paraha, from Ross Wilson's band. Serious business. They're welcome here in Melbourne, and so are you bro.



Cheers............................wahwah
 
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Both, Aussies and Kiwis have a fantasy of being brits, but are stubborn to admit it and hence the stupid accents.
 
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Ooh, you've really raised some issues there H_G. Yes, Sydney is a hole, no doubt. Nice harbour, but that's about it. We definitely consider Russell Crowe a New Zealander, and Mark Williams seems to have set the precedent for the work ethic for many of our Kiwi immigrants. Are you suggesting that there aren't any rednecks in NZ? Does that mean they've all moved here? Having said that, one of my favourite rhythm sections here in Melbourne are a couple of Maori boys, Davey Porter and Chris Paraha, from Ross Wilson's band. Serious business. They're welcome here in Melbourne, and so are you bro.



Cheers............................wahwah

I'd love to make it over sometime soon. Funnily enough, I'd have to stop by Sydney for a visit to Coogee Guitars...
 
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