P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

[Lemmiwinks123]

Hey,
Hope somebody can help me out as the customer support is not responding, yet.
I have a Gibson les paul and want to put a p rails in the neck and have a bare knuckle black dog in the bridge.

I wanna use 2 push/pull volume pots and no tone pots.
And of course the standard 3 way toggle.

I want to split the bridge with the bridge vol.

When I switch to the neck with the toggle, I want the p90 of the prails activated, and split to the rail with the neck vol pot.

Is that possible? And if yes, can someone explain me how to wire that?

Another option for installation for me might be to have the prails in parallel normally, and use the volume pots to split to p90 and rail, and have the bridge unsplittable, if course.

Thx for any help.

PS.
Triple shots are not an option

 

[jeremy]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

welcome to the forum!

so you want the p90 coil only to be the default neck pup setting and switch to the rail coil only when you pull up on the volume pot?

 

[audiocheck]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

welcome to the forum!

so you want the p90 coil only to be the default neck pup setting and switch to the rail coil only when you pull up on the volume pot?

that would be my question. If so, you would ground the negative lead on each coil of the PRail. Connect the coil hots to separate sides of a DPDT push/pull. basically having the push/pull as an On/On switch. Am i right? When it's up the rail goes to the toggle switch, when its down the P90 goes to the Toggle.

 

[Lemmiwinks123]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

welcome to the forum!

so you want the p90 coil only to be the default neck pup setting and switch to the rail coil only when you pull up on the volume pot?

Thanks a lot for welcoming me.

And yes, that's what my plan was.

Or, to have both coils in parallel for hum canceling as default, and when pulled p90 or rail, choosable with either neck vol pull or bridge vol pull. I Stil have to try which one I like more.

If so, you would ground the negative lead on each coil of the PRail. Connect the coil hots to separate sides of a DPDT push/pull. basically having the push/pull as an On/On switch. Am i right? When it's up the rail goes to the toggle switch, when its down the P90 goes to the Toggle.

Thank you, is there any possibility to get this as a wiring plan? Like to actually see what goes where?

And how would my second option work, if it's possible?

 

[audiocheck]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

Thanks a lot for welcoming me.

And yes, that's what my plan was.

Or, to have both coils in parallel for hum canceling as default, and when pulled p90 or rail, choosable with either neck vol pull or bridge vol pull. I Stil have to try which one I like more.



Thank you, is there any possibility to get this as a wiring plan? Like to actually see what goes where?

And how would my second option work, if it's possible?

Just to be clear, a regular humbucker has it's 2 coils in series. Parallel will hum cancel, but is thinner sounding and less output. Is Parallel what you want?

 

[audiocheck]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring



I did this fast. I'm pretty sure this is what you asked, as far as your first wiring scenario.

The Parallel thing, I have to think about

 

[Lemmiwinks123]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

Wow, thank you so much!
Yes, If humbucker, then parallel. I want my neck pickup to be thinner
The more I think of it, the more I like the second plan, because it would give me more options. I don't necessarily need the bridge to be splittable, if the neck could do humbucker parallel, and with both vol push/pulls choose p90 or rail.

 

[audiocheck]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

Wow, thank you so much!
Yes, If humbucker, then parallel. I want my neck pickup to be thinner
The more I think of it, the more I like the second plan, because it would give me more options. I don't necessarily need the bridge to be splittable, if the neck could do humbucker parallel, and with both vol push/pulls choose p90 or rail.

You know what would be way easier for you? Just use a TripleShot ring on your neck Prail. That would give you Series/Parallel/Rail and P90. The neck pickup is out of the way of your picking hand and you will not accidentally knock it into a setting you don't want. The bridge Triple Shot can get a little troublesome, but since you are not going to split the bridge just do the one ring.

 

[Mincer]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

I'd always recommend Triple Shots for guitars like LPs, as it is an elegant way of doing these switching scheme without a mess of additional switches.

 

[Lemmiwinks123]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

Hey,
As I said, triple shot is not going to happen. I find it super ugly, I want to keep my les paul als classic as possible. I will also put a cover on the prails, for that.

Meanwhile, I got a reply from the Duncan customshop, which is pretty disappointing:

Hi,

It would really depend on what the combination would be.
Switching from humbucker to one of the coils is easy,
Having the push-pull switch from P90 to rail would not work with a push pull.

Unfortunately, we are not able to provide custom wiring diagrams. Guitarelectronics.com can do custom wiring diagrams for a reasonable fee.

Thanks

That would mean, they say pretty much the opposite of audiocheck. So who is right? I'm really bad at wiring schemes, so would you, audiocheck, make a comment on this, please?
The parallel humbucker, splittable to p90 and rail with two push pulls is what I'd prefer right now, though.

It's disappointing and pretty weak that they don't provide wiring schemes and want me to pay another company to make one. I was expecting a much better customer service from SD.
In comparison to bare knuckle pickups, this is like 3 leagues below...

 

[TVFV]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

I'm pretty sure you can wire it in parallel and use the push/pull to choose between the rail or P90. My suggestion is wire it that way and decide if you find the rail or P90 more useful.

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[Lemmiwinks123]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

Yeah I would like to have it in parallel humbucker an use two push pull pots to split to either p90 or rail.
So: both down- parallel humbucker
Neck vol up- p90
Neck tone up- rail, but the neck tone without tone function.

Bridge vol to split the bridge humbucker.

How do I wire that?

 

[TVFV]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

This isn't exactly what you asked for but this will give you all four options by using two push/pulls.

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[Lemmiwinks123]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

Thanks,
That would be OK for me, if I can swap humbucker series and parallel modes. So both down is parallel humbucker, that should be doable, shouldn't it?
And can I use the push-pull function of the tone pot whithout it having actual tone function?

Thx again for your help

 

[Francois]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

Hey,
As I said, triple shot is not going to happen. I find it super ugly, I want to keep my les paul als classic as possible.

Well, Triple Shot are made to look like a Les Paul plastic rings.

The only problem with them is when you need to sand them to use on other guitar shapes (like SG, The Paul...) : Then you have to sand them without damaging the micro weldings (I managed once but not twice !);

But on a LP no problem.

And the triple shot gives you four sounds per P-Rail.

 

[Lemmiwinks123]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

I won't install Triple Shots, because why if i can do all 4 modes with 2 push pull pots? a triple shot is way more expensive.

could you, THEVIEWFROMVENUS , provide that diagram in actual A4 size? i can't get it bigger than in your post. and maybe explain how to swap series and parallel? so both down=parallel
thank you.

 

[BriGuy1968]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

Hey,
Hope somebody can help me out as the customer support is not responding, yet.
I have a Gibson les paul and want to put a p rails in the neck and have a bare knuckle black dog in the bridge.

I wanna use 2 push/pull volume pots and no tone pots.
And of course the standard 3 way toggle.

I want to split the bridge with the bridge vol.

When I switch to the neck with the toggle, I want the p90 of the prails activated, and split to the rail with the neck vol pot.

Is that possible? And if yes, can someone explain me how to wire that?

Another option for installation for me might be to have the prails in parallel normally, and use the volume pots to split to p90 and rail, and have the bridge unsplittable, if course.

Thx for any help.

PS.
Triple shots are not an option

Question: you say that you want to use two push/pull volume pots and no tone pots. Assuming you have a Les Paul with the standard two tones and two volumes, are you saying that your tone controls will be disconnected?


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[Lemmiwinks123]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

yes, i want to leave them in for the look, but disconnect them. i just would swap one out for a push/pull and only use the push/pull function, so dont wire the actual pot, if that is possible.

 

[BriGuy1968]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

Then why not use the bridge volume push/pull to split the bridge p’up, let the neck volume just be a volume control, and then replace one of the useless tone pots with a blend pot that would have the center position as parallel for the P-Rail, roll one direction for the P-90 and the other direction for the rail?

That way you can have your cake and eat it too.


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[audiocheck]

Re: P-rails and humbucker les Paul wiring

Hey,
As I said, triple shot is not going to happen. I find it super ugly, I want to keep my les paul als classic as possible. I will also put a cover on the prails, for that.

Meanwhile, I got a reply from the Duncan customshop, which is pretty disappointing:


That would mean, they say pretty much the opposite of audiocheck. So who is right? I'm really bad at wiring schemes, so would you, audiocheck, make a comment on this, please?
The parallel humbucker, splittable to p90 and rail with two push pulls is what I'd prefer right now, though.

It's disappointing and pretty weak that they don't provide wiring schemes and want me to pay another company to make one. I was expecting a much better customer service from SD.
In comparison to bare knuckle pickups, this is like 3 leagues below...

Sorry, I have been away for a few days. I am working on an option for you.