P90's in my 97 SG special
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While on the subject, is there any way to mount a p-90 into an SG neck that doesn't require cutting wood? Aside from the PC P94 route?
I have orded a bridge soapbar, and I am fairly certain I can make that work without any real cutting, but from the pictures I've seen, it appears that dropping one into the humbucker route in the neck is not going to happen. Is it possible the camera adds 10 ounces to a neck P-90?
While on the subject, is there any way to mount a p-90 into an SG neck that doesn't require cutting wood? Aside from the PC P94 route?
I have orded a bridge soapbar, and I am fairly certain I can make that work without any real cutting, but from the pictures I've seen, it appears that dropping one into the humbucker route in the neck is not going to happen. Is it possible the camera adds 10 ounces to a neck P-90?
sosomething
Seymour Duncan Customer Support
Re: P90's in my 97 SG special
I'm close to 100% certain that neck and bridge P-90s are the same size. I don't think soapbar covers come in more than one size.
Aside from that, if you've devised an elegant way to fit a soapbar into a humbucker route, I'd be very interested in hearing about it.
I'm close to 100% certain that neck and bridge P-90s are the same size. I don't think soapbar covers come in more than one size.
Aside from that, if you've devised an elegant way to fit a soapbar into a humbucker route, I'd be very interested in hearing about it.
Micah
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Re: P90's in my 97 SG special
Hey Usual-I dont have a picture with me but I will try to get a picture of them tonight and get it posted on here for you. I found these @ Ace Hardware. They are made to be inserted into wood and provide a 4-40 thread in the center and are made out of brass. They are about .75 cents each but are definatly worth it for their functionality. I used a 1/4 inch drill bit to make the pilot hole and that worked well.
People should know about those inserts though that are trying to convert a bucker guitar to P90's though. They work great. Also, I used 2 stainless phillips head bolts that are 4-40 thread (of course) and are an inch and a half long for the bridge and 2 that are an inch and a 1/4 for the neck. This was based on my Les Paul Special's bolt length's and it worked well.
Hey Usual-I dont have a picture with me but I will try to get a picture of them tonight and get it posted on here for you. I found these @ Ace Hardware. They are made to be inserted into wood and provide a 4-40 thread in the center and are made out of brass. They are about .75 cents each but are definatly worth it for their functionality. I used a 1/4 inch drill bit to make the pilot hole and that worked well.
People should know about those inserts though that are trying to convert a bucker guitar to P90's though. They work great. Also, I used 2 stainless phillips head bolts that are 4-40 thread (of course) and are an inch and a half long for the bridge and 2 that are an inch and a 1/4 for the neck. This was based on my Les Paul Special's bolt length's and it worked well.
Micah
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blueman335
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Re: P90's in my 97 SG special
+1. There's no reason for neck & bridge to be different sizes, especially since they weren't calibrated until decades later.
+1. There's no reason for neck & bridge to be different sizes, especially since they weren't calibrated until decades later.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: P90's in my 97 SG special
Yes, we should know about converting HB slots to P-90's. Tell where we can get the inserts. This could be one of the greatest inventions since sliced bread!
Where did you get the screws? Hardware store?
Yes, we should know about converting HB slots to P-90's. Tell where we can get the inserts. This could be one of the greatest inventions since sliced bread!
Where did you get the screws? Hardware store?
Micah
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Re: P90's in my 97 SG special
I really wanted to believe that I could do this without routing my SG but the reality was I had to. I used the pick guard that I bought as a template to draw the routes onto the body and a dremel tool with a routing attachment and a cutting bit to cut the routes out.
BTW-I used "DAZBOOTMAN" to make a custom SG pickguard and he did an excelent job. I found him on ebay. It was $28 bucks and I think with shipping the total was $35. But you want to make sure you get this part done correctly as it is the foundation of the routes into the guitar your going to make. So I didnt ming spending the money to get it done right. It was an SG Classic replacement pick guard and I had him make some adjustments to it where as to yeild the warnings that the guy from www.everythingsg.com made in his article on the process (posted that link on the first page of this thread). He specificly warned about routing any wood out of the neck joint and causing it to be weak and evenually have issues. So, I told DAZBOOTMAN to make the mods that "everything sg" made when they ordered these pick guards for the mods they did on SG Specials.
I really wanted to believe that I could do this without routing my SG but the reality was I had to. I used the pick guard that I bought as a template to draw the routes onto the body and a dremel tool with a routing attachment and a cutting bit to cut the routes out.
BTW-I used "DAZBOOTMAN" to make a custom SG pickguard and he did an excelent job. I found him on ebay. It was $28 bucks and I think with shipping the total was $35. But you want to make sure you get this part done correctly as it is the foundation of the routes into the guitar your going to make. So I didnt ming spending the money to get it done right. It was an SG Classic replacement pick guard and I had him make some adjustments to it where as to yeild the warnings that the guy from www.everythingsg.com made in his article on the process (posted that link on the first page of this thread). He specificly warned about routing any wood out of the neck joint and causing it to be weak and evenually have issues. So, I told DAZBOOTMAN to make the mods that "everything sg" made when they ordered these pick guards for the mods they did on SG Specials.
Micah
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Re: P90's in my 97 SG special
Both P90's (neck and bridge) are the same size and require the same sized routes.
Both P90's (neck and bridge) are the same size and require the same sized routes.
Micah
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Re: P90's in my 97 SG special
"Ace was the place" for these threaded inserts and the 4-40 screws that went with them.
More info on these a few posts up from this one.
"Ace was the place" for these threaded inserts and the 4-40 screws that went with them.
More info on these a few posts up from this one.
Micah
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Re: P90's in my 97 SG special
I had a great deal of time to play the Zhangbucker P90's last night and I love them! I definatly recommend you guys (and girls) check him out if your looking to get any P90's or other pickups. His prices are VERY reasonable and he's got a great wealth of knowledge to help you get the tone your looking for. He is the reason I went from a telecaster to this Les Paul Special with P90's and found exactly what I was looking for but was frustrated with the telecaster for not having it. You can slice an apple a million different wats but in the end it still tastes like an apple. I was looking for P90 tone and the only way to "really" do that is to get real P90's in there. Everything else is just an apple with orange flavoring on the outside of it.
I had a great deal of time to play the Zhangbucker P90's last night and I love them! I definatly recommend you guys (and girls) check him out if your looking to get any P90's or other pickups. His prices are VERY reasonable and he's got a great wealth of knowledge to help you get the tone your looking for. He is the reason I went from a telecaster to this Les Paul Special with P90's and found exactly what I was looking for but was frustrated with the telecaster for not having it. You can slice an apple a million different wats but in the end it still tastes like an apple. I was looking for P90 tone and the only way to "really" do that is to get real P90's in there. Everything else is just an apple with orange flavoring on the outside of it.
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Thanks guys. I guess I am thinking that because of the distance from strings to body on the bridge position, I may not actually need to mount the soapbar in the cavity. I was hoping I could get away with it at dogear hieght, thus negating any routing. Am I wrong?
I sure am going to have to emotionally prep for cutting up this guitar. Even though I have generally beat the sh%t out of it, I always feel bad when it's deliberate.
Thanks guys. I guess I am thinking that because of the distance from strings to body on the bridge position, I may not actually need to mount the soapbar in the cavity. I was hoping I could get away with it at dogear hieght, thus negating any routing. Am I wrong?
I sure am going to have to emotionally prep for cutting up this guitar. Even though I have generally beat the sh%t out of it, I always feel bad when it's deliberate.
Micah
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Re: P90's in my 97 SG special
I dont think you are going to have the clearance that you need between the body and the strings to make that one happen. If you do, your going to have your action so high that you wont want to play it Im thinking. All I can off you is my expirience though-I could be wong.
What I will say is TAKE THE PLUNGE! Im telling you there is nothing like a P90 for clean and chimey or all out crunchy rock and roll or even metal! They are THE tone for me and if your debating-I bet they are for you as well. I suggest you go to a music store and find something with P90's in it and play it for a good hour or so. Im sure you wont be able to put it down when that hour is up! Good crunchy rock and roll! BTW-make sure the pickup is up against the strings as far as you can without touching the strings when the string is plucked while depressing the last fret. Im telling you that even my stock gibson Les Paul special with an 8K bridge was HOT as all get out! Man it sounds good, but my Zhangbucker Honk + P90 is even better! Pure Rock and Roll! I like a hot pickup to push the amp and a nice medium gain setting on my amp. Im playing through an AC30 2 x 12 with it and its a pretty heavy rock and roll tone. Im shocked @ what that AC30 can do with the right Guitar and Pickup combination!
I dont think you are going to have the clearance that you need between the body and the strings to make that one happen. If you do, your going to have your action so high that you wont want to play it Im thinking. All I can off you is my expirience though-I could be wong.
What I will say is TAKE THE PLUNGE! Im telling you there is nothing like a P90 for clean and chimey or all out crunchy rock and roll or even metal! They are THE tone for me and if your debating-I bet they are for you as well. I suggest you go to a music store and find something with P90's in it and play it for a good hour or so. Im sure you wont be able to put it down when that hour is up! Good crunchy rock and roll! BTW-make sure the pickup is up against the strings as far as you can without touching the strings when the string is plucked while depressing the last fret. Im telling you that even my stock gibson Les Paul special with an 8K bridge was HOT as all get out! Man it sounds good, but my Zhangbucker Honk + P90 is even better! Pure Rock and Roll! I like a hot pickup to push the amp and a nice medium gain setting on my amp. Im playing through an AC30 2 x 12 with it and its a pretty heavy rock and roll tone. Im shocked @ what that AC30 can do with the right Guitar and Pickup combination!
uOpt
Something Cool
Re: P90's in my 97 SG special
A P90 of the size of Gibson soapbars fits a humbucker route by only taking off some minimal material on the edges, the edges of the corners that are left for humbucker ring screws. Batman pickguard SG Standards still have those corners but obviously don't need them. You can modify a SG standard by just getting a pickguard with P90 routes centered at the same spots that the humbuckers were centered on and just a couple knife cuts. It will be invisible with pickguard on.
The material that has to go is so tiny that even a humbucker ring mount would still work.
A P90 of the size of Gibson soapbars fits a humbucker route by only taking off some minimal material on the edges, the edges of the corners that are left for humbucker ring screws. Batman pickguard SG Standards still have those corners but obviously don't need them. You can modify a SG standard by just getting a pickguard with P90 routes centered at the same spots that the humbuckers were centered on and just a couple knife cuts. It will be invisible with pickguard on.
The material that has to go is so tiny that even a humbucker ring mount would still work.
Micah
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Re: P90's in my 97 SG special
True, but what about pick guardless guitars and pick guards that dont surround the pickup (most guitars)? You would have excess space between the P90 and the body since they dont make rings for P90's to cover it up. It works for SG surounding pick guards (Special and Standard) because you cant see the route, but the tone can change pretty significantly by moving the pickup location a bit. It'll get edgier or less edgy. depending on route location.
True, but what about pick guardless guitars and pick guards that dont surround the pickup (most guitars)? You would have excess space between the P90 and the body since they dont make rings for P90's to cover it up. It works for SG surounding pick guards (Special and Standard) because you cant see the route, but the tone can change pretty significantly by moving the pickup location a bit. It'll get edgier or less edgy. depending on route location.
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Thanks again. I'll have to look at this. For reference, her are a couple of pics of my dog.
Are you saying that I will be able to open the routes up enough to accomodate the P-90s, but I will still be able to put the original buckers back in with the original rings? And not have to modify the pick guard? I am a little confused.
Thanks again. I'll have to look at this. For reference, her are a couple of pics of my dog.
Are you saying that I will be able to open the routes up enough to accomodate the P-90s, but I will still be able to put the original buckers back in with the original rings? And not have to modify the pick guard? I am a little confused.
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Bump for my question
Are you saying that I will be able to open the routes up enough to accomodate the P-90s, but I will still be able to put the original buckers back in with the original rings? And not have to modify the pick guard? I am a little confused.
Bump for my question
Are you saying that I will be able to open the routes up enough to accomodate the P-90s, but I will still be able to put the original buckers back in with the original rings? And not have to modify the pick guard? I am a little confused.
uOpt
Something Cool
Re: P90's in my 97 SG special
Yes, you only have to shave off a tiny amount and enough of the ring screw posts will stay to screw rings on.
Of course you will have to mount the soapbars with some kind of ugly hack. But it will be suitable to see how your guitar sounds with P-90ties.
Disclaimer: this is for Gibson U.S. spaced rings and soapbars out of a R6. Asian soapbars have different dimensions and Asian humbucker rings are bigger.
As I mentioned earlier, I think I could clip off tiny amount of the baseplate on my soapbars and fit them without any routing.
Yes, you only have to shave off a tiny amount and enough of the ring screw posts will stay to screw rings on.
Of course you will have to mount the soapbars with some kind of ugly hack. But it will be suitable to see how your guitar sounds with P-90ties.
Disclaimer: this is for Gibson U.S. spaced rings and soapbars out of a R6. Asian soapbars have different dimensions and Asian humbucker rings are bigger.
As I mentioned earlier, I think I could clip off tiny amount of the baseplate on my soapbars and fit them without any routing.
uOpt
Something Cool
Re: P90's in my 97 SG special
Of course.
If I would permanently want to mount soapbars in a humbucker guitar I'd try magnet changes in Phat Cats and if they goes nowhere I would have a pickguard shop make mini-pickguards that have a soapbar cavity and regular humbucker ring screw places.
Of course.
If I would permanently want to mount soapbars in a humbucker guitar I'd try magnet changes in Phat Cats and if they goes nowhere I would have a pickguard shop make mini-pickguards that have a soapbar cavity and regular humbucker ring screw places.
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