Page/Clapton/Beck....and Peter Green?

[Lewguitar]

Re: Page/Clapton/Beck....and Peter Green?

I would certainly rank Peter Green up there with Page, Clapton and Beck.

Let's not forget Paul Kossoff, Mick Taylor, Brian Jones and Keith Richards either! Those guys were as much a part of Britain's 60s blues boom as the Yardbirds triumvirate.

God bless the Surrey Delta.

I saw John Mayall and the Bluesbreakers at the Grande Ballroom in the lates 60's and went expecting to see Peter Green playing with the band. (I am a big Peter Green fan, BTW...when I said I was more impressed with Clapton and Beck I didn't mean to imply that I didn't love Green too!) Anyways, Mick Taylor was the guitarist in Mayall's by then...not Peter Green. And Mick was awesome! I love his version of the Freddie King classic Driving Sideways. He had a 50's sunburst Les Paul and either a tweed 3x10 Fender Bandmaster or a 4 x 10 tweed Bassman. And I swear: it sounded like a 50 watt Marshall. Right after that I went searching for (and found! ) my first tweed Bassman. It had been recovered in orange naugahyde but it only cost $125. and it had all four of the original Jensen 10's too! It's funny to think about it now, 35 years later, but those sunburst Les Pauls and '59 Bassman amps were less than 10 years old back then. Lew

 

[Quencho092]

Re: Page/Clapton/Beck....and Peter Green?

what songs would you guys reccomend for some live blues jams that reflect Peter Green's skills?

 

[vegetablejoe]

Re: Page/Clapton/Beck....and Peter Green?

Check out the concert video of the Peter Green Splinter Group which includes their electric and acoustic sets. He plays very subtly and smoothly, and trades lead roles with the other guitar player. He's become an ensemble player, totally devoid of ego. No over-extended lead breaks. Very refreshing.

The acoustic version of Albatross alone was worth the cost of the dvd alone, imho.

 

[Hendrix95]

Re: Page/Clapton/Beck....and Peter Green?

what songs would you guys reccomend for some live blues jams that reflect Peter Green's skills?

I'd recommend starting off with Live in Boston Vol. 1 and then if you like that, get vol. 2 and 3.

 

[Jeffrec]

Re: Page/Clapton/Beck....and Peter Green?

Grennie is absolutely in that class. Actually I would group it as Beck, Clapton, Green, & Taylor.......

Page, IMO, has always been overrated. His studio stuff is good, as Lew said, but he is sloppy as hell live.


Jeff

 

[Quencho092]

Re: Page/Clapton/Beck....and Peter Green?

yeah, page is overrated big time. If you can't play live, you aren't a good player in my book. when you're recording an album, you can keep doing takes until you get it right, the fans won't like it when you can't play your own parts right on stage though.

 

[Jeffrec]

Re: Page/Clapton/Beck....and Peter Green?

Jig Saw Puzzle Blues is a Danny Kirwan song featuring Danny playing lead. Danny was sort of a protege of Peter's and a very talented guitarist. People often confuse Danny's playing with Peter's. The biggest difference between the two was their vibratos: Kirwan's was wider and slower, Green's was tighter, faster and more subtle.

Right on the money, Steve.

Danny had a true, classic vibrato (like Clapton and Mick Taylor), with the note being pushed up, held momentarily, then brought back and forth in a wide sweep. Peter has more of a trill, like BB King.


Jeff

 

[JeffB]

Re: Page/Clapton/Beck....and Peter Green?

As far as I am concerned..the best of the 60's british "blues" players was Ritchie Blackmore....when he played bluesy stuff his phrasing, feel and tone were just incredible. But he's always seen as "the classical" guy. Check out Lazy, or Mistreated from Deep Purple.... Any of the live albums (whether with Rainbow or Deep Purple) where they break into a blues jam. Not necc a "classic" Chicago blues style, but it "hits the spot" as far as my tastes go.

 

[Skarekrough]

Re: Page/Clapton/Beck....and Peter Green?

As far as his guitar...... Its a '59 Burst. The PUPS were original PAF's. After listening to Peter Green............ And then listening to Gary Moore play the same guitar I realized that much of Gary Moores sound was the '59 Burst.

I made a comment awhile ago that I preferred Gary Moore when he was trying to be Peter Green than he was trying to sound like Gary Moore.

It still holds true.

Peter Green's one of those guys that'll turn your notion of what the Blues Guitar is on its ear. I stumbled across him at just the perfect time in my life and I'm very glad that I did.

 

[Falstaff]

Re: Page/Clapton/Beck....and Peter Green?

I think just in terms of playing "blues guitar," Green was better (and more unique) than any of those guys. It's kind of hard to compare them because Green is sort of frozen in time and the other guys explored other genres far more.

But there's no disputing opinions, I guess...try as I might, Beck does nothing for me, Cream gives me a headache (I love the Mayall and Dominos stuff, though), and I think Page was a fine live guitarist who wanted to play something a bit different every night.

 

[Quencho092]

Re: Page/Clapton/Beck....and Peter Green?

yeah, when it comes to downright blues, i think Green was top for the brits. I bought the BBC sessions two disc set w/ Peter Green and Fleetwood Mac, and it's jam packed with awesome blues tunes w/ subtle and sweet blues leads, none of the over the top Clapton insanity, ala Hideaway.

 

[badco33]

Re: Page/Clapton/Beck....and Peter Green?

I got really heavily into Peter Green several years ago and for X-Mas my wife bought me a Fleetwood Mac Box set called "The Blue Horizon Years". I believe it is all of their albums up until "Then Play on" when they switched to another label. It's a total of 6 discs. That box set is just amazing and I played it to death for about a full year. It includes unreleased songs and outtakes that are just incredible. I love the outtakes for "Stop Messin Around", "Need Your Love so bad" and "Watch Out". He'll play back to back takes completely different and then verbally spare with the producer when he cuts him off.

What comes out great in that box set is the passion that he had for the music. You not only hear it in his playing but in his singing. Man can he sing the blues. As far as his tone. I don't look at Peter as a tone monster. I see him more as a plug in and play guy. Where Clapton and Beck were more innovative in regards to tone, Green just followed Clapton's lead with a Les Paul then just plugged in and played. Part of the reason I feel this way is he never thought there was anything special about the pickups in his Les Paul. He didn't know anything about "out of phase" he just plugged it in and went for the tones he could get out of it. He couldn't figure out why people always asked him about the tone from his guitar. He didn't know what they were talking about.

What's funny is he always rips on his Les Paul whenever he talks about it. He says it had a big fat baseball bat neck and was real awkward. He always wanted a sleak fast neck like Clapton had (his Beano Burst). In fact, he offered his Les Paul to a few people before Gary Moore bought it. Just think if it landed in the wrong hands. It could have ended up with a floyd rose on it and Dimarzio's