Pearly Gates in Les Paul won't get lasting harmonics?? What is up here???

Re: Pearly Gates in Les Paul won't get lasting harmonics?? What is up here???

Overpriced and unreliable, since some people are obviously tone deaf. Care to argue against "overpriced and unreliable" with some weightier arguements than 'snob', 'cork-sniffer', or personal attacks?

...and there's still not a body in here, for all the bashing, to suggest anything more productive than my "solder the pup straight to the input jack & test that" move. And, if you haven't tried it, YES THAT WILL WORK. Pots and switches just add options, a guitar will work fine (and with perhaps 10-15% more bite) without any of em.

Strange how a guy calling himself "GuitarDoc" ain't coming up with useful advice like that, only sneers at the source thereof due to difference of *PERSONAL* preference, but yours truly the 4-decades-younger amateur dabbler is, despite only getting flak & more flak for suggesting that big-money pickup upgrades will fare better in good-deal-used guitars that only cost as much as a fretjob & never need one than black holes that vacuum out your wallet, for whatever reason... and are several hundred bucks overpriced due to being licensed copies by a big name brand & having a massive advertising campaign that's been going strong for more years than many owners have been *alive*. I hope THAT at least is no secret and no point that you Epi Fanbois wish to contest?



Lol, we have a bigger amateur than I. Struggled with a 30-watter pencil for years before I learned this lil secret. Forget poking around for minutes, push the burst button and stuff melts clean and silvery. And NO, YOUR POTS WON'T BURN OUT - unless your hands are a dozen times clumsier and technically disinclined than even mine (don't push burst right on top of a cap and then come crying though, cuz even a good poke in the middle with a 30w pencil can kill those things). Did 4 guitars with em recently (like within last week recently), ZERO NOISE, ZERO DEFECTS TO ELECTRONICS, MINUTES TO COMPLETION *AND* NOT A SINGLE IMPERFECT SOLDER CONNECTION THE FIRST TIME AROUND. Also, one Korean LTD w/EMGs suddenly got like a good 30% cleaner and edgier and lost all noise - as compared to how it was done by the factory, that is. Also, unlike the painful, confused, frustrated process with the pencils, this was a breeze and the satisfaction of a job done right & yet another guitar that sounded way better than it ever did before - this from a guy who's soldered 8 or so guitars in all his entire life, and previously spent many hours to days agonizing over each, and redoing every contact several times over trying to find what went wrong.

If you wanna spend hours (instead of 5-10 minutes) per full control cavity rewire, be unable to aim properly, burn fingers or wood on a regular basis, take 15 minutes to heat up to working temp and poop out if you leave it on for an hour or two, poke around with a multimeter and "ring out" every contact looking for your cold solder joint or bad connection, or worse yet have a halfway bad cold joint giving you stray noise or sapping signal with you none the wiser - be my guest. BUT THE FACTORY - EVERY FACTORY - USES POWERFUL "GUN HANDLE" SOLDERING DEVICES, AS DO ALL TECHS. Cuz it gets the job done, unlike a 30watt pencil that can't even melt through a decent puddle on your common ground spot. Like, duh.

WHAT'S NEXT, YOU'RE GONNA GIVE ME THE WEIRD LOOK FOR USING A SURGICAL HEMOSTAT MORE THAN ANY OTHER TOOL IN SOLDERING, W/ SURGICAL THUMB FORCEPS COMING IN SECOND? Most useful stuff ever. Free tip: Try jacking that (preferably ones used on you or a family member, not that hep alphabet soup and HIV positive person in the next room) on your way out next time you're in an emergency room. It ain't stealing cause it's trash, your trash to be exact. The moment they open the sterile pack they're tossing em anyway, these things are disposable and classed "BioHazard Waste" by rich country hospitals the instant even one of the set touches a patient. Nobody bothers boiling these things in antiseptic and reusing them, off to the wastebin they go. Just $10 of the reason why American medicine is so dang expensive, and probably a buck or two more per set of disposal fees for the biohazard thing.

NEXT EPISODE - Lesson 3: USING BLOODY THIN STRANDED (YES STRANDED!) WIRE.

I'm not trying to flame you here, but you sound like me when I was 12 and "knew EVERYTHING". You type out walls of text that end up saying nothing at all.

Thank God I've matured a bit in the 21 years since your apparent age.

On to the real issue, I still maintain that this is not a pickup or electronics issue but a setup issue. Might be as simple as a backbowed neck.
 
Re: Pearly Gates in Les Paul won't get lasting harmonics?? What is up here???

Yea im starting to think it's a set up issue. To low of a string action will hurt sustain and harmonics.
 
Re: Pearly Gates in Les Paul won't get lasting harmonics?? What is up here???

My Carvin CS-4 has a PG set in it. Both bridge and neck pickup will squeal just fine, I don't think it's the pickups. It's either setup or technique, if you can make it happen on your other guitars, then it's setup.
 
Re: Pearly Gates in Les Paul won't get lasting harmonics?? What is up here???

Jazzfiend, where do you live? Maybe one of us can suggest a good tech that can take a look at the setup for you.
 
Re: Pearly Gates in Les Paul won't get lasting harmonics?? What is up here???

I'm not trying to flame you here, but you sound like me when I was 12 and "knew EVERYTHING". You type out walls of text that end up saying nothing at all.

Thank God I've matured a bit in the 21 years since your apparent age.

On to the real issue, I still maintain that this is not a pickup or electronics issue but a setup issue. Might be as simple as a backbowed neck.

+10
 
Re: Pearly Gates in Les Paul won't get lasting harmonics?? What is up here???

WHAT'S NEXT, YOU'RE GONNA GIVE ME THE WEIRD LOOK FOR USING A SURGICAL HEMOSTAT MORE THAN ANY OTHER TOOL IN SOLDERING, W/ SURGICAL THUMB FORCEPS COMING IN SECOND? Most useful stuff ever. Free tip: Try jacking that (preferably ones used on you or a family member, not that hep alphabet soup and HIV positive person in the next room) on your way out next time you're in an emergency room. It ain't stealing cause it's trash, your trash to be exact. The moment they open the sterile pack they're tossing em anyway, these things are disposable and classed "BioHazard Waste" by rich country hospitals the instant even one of the set touches a patient. Nobody bothers boiling these things in antiseptic and reusing them, off to the wastebin they go. Just $10 of the reason why American medicine is so dang expensive, and probably a buck or two more per set of disposal fees for the biohazard thing.

You're admitting that you are a thief?!! And encouraging others to steal as well?!!! What kind of a sociopath are you??!!

Actually hemostats are NOT disposible. They are NOT classified as "biohazard waste" (where in the world did you get that idea?). Hospitals do NOT classify anything as "biohazard waste, that's done by OSHA. Hospitals do NOT throw them away after every patient...they, in fact, are scrubbed, bagged, and sterilized in an autoclave after every use, and are reused until they do not function anymore with their initial precision.. They do NOT cost $10 (yes, you or I can buy similar instruments from many different hardware suppliers that are not the same precision, metal composition, nor do they have titanium or hardened beaks, etc). Surgical grade hemostats actually cost between $50 and $150 dollars. Disposibles are the gause 2x2s and 4x4s, sterile wipes, tubing, needles, bandages, wraps, gloves, gowns, masks, tongue depressers, etc.

Just $10 of the reason why American medicine is so dang expensive

And your theft is another. You should be behind bars instead of in front of an amp!

By ranting about things that you obviously know nothing about, you not only show your immaturity as GilmourD suggested, but you are also proving your ignorance of such matters. Better leave those subjects to the Doc's and concentrate your rantings on your friends.

No need for your ranting and bashing on this forum.
 
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Re: Pearly Gates in Les Paul won't get lasting harmonics?? What is up here???

Yeah you guys can drop it, I set this guitar on fire at a frat party we played like a month back. It was like... so awesome. I probably could have sold it, but I felt like... super good when I did it. And I was like the coolest person ever. It got me hooked up with a Kappa Delt with a tongue ring (those girls arent allowed to wear those) So yeah, thanks anyway. Now, how about we argue about politics? Obama Obama Chinese jobs healthcare bill welfare checkmate Republican No Taxation Without The Approval of 99% of Sarah Palin's sweet hot face Euro wins Dollar loses Gas prices. Im bored.
 
Re: Pearly Gates in Les Paul won't get lasting harmonics?? What is up here???

Yeah you guys can drop it, I set this guitar on fire at a frat party we played like a month back. It was like... so awesome. I probably could have sold it, but I felt like... super good when I did it. And I was like the coolest person ever. It got me hooked up with a Kappa Delt with a tongue ring (those girls arent allowed to wear those) So yeah, thanks anyway. Now, how about we argue about politics? Obama Obama Chinese jobs healthcare bill welfare checkmate Republican No Taxation Without The Approval of 99% of Sarah Palin's sweet hot face Euro wins Dollar loses Gas prices. Im bored.

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Re: Pearly Gates in Les Paul won't get lasting harmonics?? What is up here???

Harassing and torching a pore innocent guitar! Is this guy Q ?
 
Re: Pearly Gates in Les Paul won't get lasting harmonics?? What is up here???

TL;DR

this is a classic symptom of a pickup being too close to the strings:
They don't sustain. They ping, and weee, and squeal for like a second, and then it's just string noise rubbing against the fretboard.

i set my PGs down in the humbucker rings.
 
Re: Pearly Gates in Les Paul won't get lasting harmonics?? What is up here???

Please keep it respectful and on-topic to the issue of helping Jazzfiend find out why he can't get more harmonics and sustain.
 
Re: Pearly Gates in Les Paul won't get lasting harmonics?? What is up here???

Gonna be much harder to find sustain now that hes torched the guitar.... Sacrificed the Epi for a tongue ring IMNSHO was probably worth it.
 
Re: Pearly Gates in Les Paul won't get lasting harmonics?? What is up here???

Gonna be much harder to find sustain now that hes torched the guitar.... Sacrificed the Epi for a tongue ring IMNSHO was probably worth it.

^ This

From a guitar geek perspective I'm thinking "But this was probably easily solved!" But the rock gods smile upon thee, Jazzfiend101. I'm sorry, but a fiery display on stage and getting laid, totally beats geeky curiosity.
 
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^ This

From a guitar geek perspective I'm thinking "But this was probably easily solved!" But the rock gods smile upon thee, Jazzfiend101. I'm sorry, but a fiery display on stage and getting laid, totally beats geeky curiosity.

I'm married and get some consistently, so I'm more for the music and geeky curiosity myself. :18:
 
Re: Pearly Gates in Les Paul won't get lasting harmonics?? What is up here???

Using guitar/music to get laid = ******bag move.

Rest of the thread:

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Re: Pearly Gates in Les Paul won't get lasting harmonics?? What is up here???

Using guitar/music to get laid = ******bag move.

Rest of the thread:

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False. Using guitar/music to get laid = rock and roll.

And also, for what it's worth, I have another Epiphone that I put a Pearly Gates in, and it did the same thing. Weak sustain. Pulled it out, stuck it in its box, put in a fresh JB and never had another issue with sound. Winning.

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Re: Pearly Gates in Les Paul won't get lasting harmonics?? What is up here???

False. Using guitar/music to get laid = rock and roll.

And also, for what it's worth, I have another Epiphone that I put a Pearly Gates in, and it did the same thing. Weak sustain. Pulled it out, stuck it in its box, put in a fresh JB and never had another issue with sound. Winning.

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You bumped your two year old thread to disagree about getting laid?

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It takes a while for me to think of a comeback. ;)

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But seriously. JB > PG

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