GuitarFanatic
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I'm wanting to stick to pedaltrain, but I need a bigger board, as you can tell, I have outgrown my Classic II.
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Pedalboards? Looking for a new board.
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Www.Pedalboardplanner.com
3 and Pro from the classic line or one of the Terra models from the new line are the next size bigger.
Www.Pedalboardplanner.com
3 and Pro from the classic line or one of the Terra models from the new line are the next size bigger.
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Funkfingers
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Nonsense. This new thread is just a blatant excuse to display your Chipmunk soft toy collection.
Nonsense. This new thread is just a blatant excuse to display your Chipmunk soft toy collection.
Gainstage
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I ponder all this "experience" and board designs if there does not need to be some serious discussion and info on what are "buffered" pedals and "bypass" (and why) as I see a lot of pedals while by themselves or one or two do not present an issue but a entire chain of buffered pedal circuits and not so great buffers to boot??? I know Boss is a popular line of pedals and they are relatively cheap but not even at least a Waza updated version...
I ponder all this "experience" and board designs if there does not need to be some serious discussion and info on what are "buffered" pedals and "bypass" (and why) as I see a lot of pedals while by themselves or one or two do not present an issue but a entire chain of buffered pedal circuits and not so great buffers to boot??? I know Boss is a popular line of pedals and they are relatively cheap but not even at least a Waza updated version...
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Funkfingers
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For some forum members, pedalboard size appears to be some kind of status symbol. More options = "better". My rule of thumb (or, should that be toe?) is that any pedal I use must add more to my sound than it subtracts.
I love using the BOSS SL-20 Slicer to make "impossible" sonic textures on recording Projects. I cannot imagine taking it out on a live performance.
My most recent pedal purchase was the EHX Cock Fight. Again, I regard this as a recording project textural treatment. Some of the pedal's more interesting sounds come from deliberately filtering away a lot of low end. In a recording environment, this can easily be corrected. Onstage, it would be a pain to keep levels matched.
I reckon that Nathan has at least AU$400 tied up in his pedal and board collection. That money could have financed a pre-owned Marshall JTM60, DSL40C or the unfashionable Haze 40.
For some forum members, pedalboard size appears to be some kind of status symbol. More options = "better". My rule of thumb (or, should that be toe?) is that any pedal I use must add more to my sound than it subtracts.
I love using the BOSS SL-20 Slicer to make "impossible" sonic textures on recording Projects. I cannot imagine taking it out on a live performance.
My most recent pedal purchase was the EHX Cock Fight. Again, I regard this as a recording project textural treatment. Some of the pedal's more interesting sounds come from deliberately filtering away a lot of low end. In a recording environment, this can easily be corrected. Onstage, it would be a pain to keep levels matched.
I reckon that Nathan has at least AU$400 tied up in his pedal and board collection. That money could have financed a pre-owned Marshall JTM60, DSL40C or the unfashionable Haze 40.
Gainstage
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Boss is just not a line I entertain in the recent centuries of my playing. I started with them ages ago, seems like a phase everyone goes through. The notions of using them now or as I see some on more notable players boards just makes the resolve of a great player can make a piece of crap sound good, witness John 5. Does that mean the pedals are enhancing or pushing his tone to extend his range of ability or is he just killing it on a low quality unit? In other words, "is he making the pedal sound good or is the pedal making him sound good"/ I think 5 could use a tin can with a string and make it sound interesting.
Sort of like playing a crap guitar over a higher end precision model that is actually in tune. I get the premise but it seems like having a "close enough" attitude about being in tune. Granted the std guitar frets are slightly off in various registers but enhancing that off as a novel recording tool seems like a bedroom kid making recordings, to me, anyway. I like and must have gear that exceeds my ability and pushes my potential for new things rather than inhibiting it. There are so many much better lines out there. If you're out for a low tech, over buffered, definition muffled bedroom sort of thing whence comes the need for something sounding like it was not rendered by a teenager?? But that being said, whatever rings the cowbell for anyone is what they should use. Who am I to suggest a super expensive drive or delay when one is content with a $30 one.
Boss is just not a line I entertain in the recent centuries of my playing. I started with them ages ago, seems like a phase everyone goes through. The notions of using them now or as I see some on more notable players boards just makes the resolve of a great player can make a piece of crap sound good, witness John 5. Does that mean the pedals are enhancing or pushing his tone to extend his range of ability or is he just killing it on a low quality unit? In other words, "is he making the pedal sound good or is the pedal making him sound good"/ I think 5 could use a tin can with a string and make it sound interesting.
Sort of like playing a crap guitar over a higher end precision model that is actually in tune. I get the premise but it seems like having a "close enough" attitude about being in tune. Granted the std guitar frets are slightly off in various registers but enhancing that off as a novel recording tool seems like a bedroom kid making recordings, to me, anyway. I like and must have gear that exceeds my ability and pushes my potential for new things rather than inhibiting it. There are so many much better lines out there. If you're out for a low tech, over buffered, definition muffled bedroom sort of thing whence comes the need for something sounding like it was not rendered by a teenager?? But that being said, whatever rings the cowbell for anyone is what they should use. Who am I to suggest a super expensive drive or delay when one is content with a $30 one.
ThisDyingSoul76
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As much I have loathed newer Boss pedals, the older Japanese ones are decent pedals.
I even like the newer EQ I bought... But these are mixed in among a combination of pedals with better buffers and true bypass units. Boss dirt boxes though... Usually not something I'd use for my base tone, but they have a character that seems useful for solos or as an effect.
As much I have loathed newer Boss pedals, the older Japanese ones are decent pedals.
I even like the newer EQ I bought... But these are mixed in among a combination of pedals with better buffers and true bypass units. Boss dirt boxes though... Usually not something I'd use for my base tone, but they have a character that seems useful for solos or as an effect.
Chickenwings
Alnico 6/8
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Nothing wrong at all with boss gear.
Use what works for you. Don't use what doesn't.
There is more than one way to get great tone.
Most of what makes a player sound great is not even in the gear.
Nothing wrong at all with boss gear.
Use what works for you. Don't use what doesn't.
There is more than one way to get great tone.
Most of what makes a player sound great is not even in the gear.
Gainstage
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iN4FFUrUgw
20 min in:
Interesting video by Brian Wampler and another builder discussing the low grade buffers in Boss pedals and how there are 2 buffers in each pedal, they estimate you lose 1% of your tone per pedal.
By all means use what you like but there are issues in cheaper pedals despite what one "hears". A chain of B class buffers ruins the natural dynamics of the guitar sort of like cascading your signal into a series of compressors.
I think the point is not that a great player cannot sound or play good through just about any gear it is more a matter of the improvement of the tone and sound verses degrading it and living with the result.
It's about like arguing cheap cables or long runs do not cap load and degrade ones signal. Too many buffered pedals especially of not so high end quality presents a degrading issue to your tone and sound, any number of true bypass pedals are lifted from all loading by having just one good quality buffer in front of them.
It must be considered that all famous players are not Einstein many do not have a clue about gear and are helpless without a tech to assist them. Does a person sound good because of their gear or in spite of it?
It's all what one likes and what they are happy using. But the issue of what things are doing and implications to the tone are technical physics and not subject to mere opinion or what one thinks they hear.
If one is going to argue there is no difference in various pedals, buffers or cables, one would be wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iN4FFUrUgw
20 min in:
Interesting video by Brian Wampler and another builder discussing the low grade buffers in Boss pedals and how there are 2 buffers in each pedal, they estimate you lose 1% of your tone per pedal.
By all means use what you like but there are issues in cheaper pedals despite what one "hears". A chain of B class buffers ruins the natural dynamics of the guitar sort of like cascading your signal into a series of compressors.
I think the point is not that a great player cannot sound or play good through just about any gear it is more a matter of the improvement of the tone and sound verses degrading it and living with the result.
It's about like arguing cheap cables or long runs do not cap load and degrade ones signal. Too many buffered pedals especially of not so high end quality presents a degrading issue to your tone and sound, any number of true bypass pedals are lifted from all loading by having just one good quality buffer in front of them.
It must be considered that all famous players are not Einstein many do not have a clue about gear and are helpless without a tech to assist them. Does a person sound good because of their gear or in spite of it?
It's all what one likes and what they are happy using. But the issue of what things are doing and implications to the tone are technical physics and not subject to mere opinion or what one thinks they hear.
If one is going to argue there is no difference in various pedals, buffers or cables, one would be wrong.
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ThisDyingSoul76
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This is why I dislike Boss's newer pedals for the most part... It's not the sound they produce but the sound the buffers take away from the bypassed signal. I find the vintage, Japanese Boss pedals to be less prone to this. As for the few pedals I own that have lower quality buffers, I tend to place them between pedals known to have a superior buffer in them.
I also find that as long as unwanted noise is not an issue, you can compensate for frequency loss to some degree with the controls of your amp. Also, keep in mind that some may like the way a buffer or cable causes the highs to be rolled off a bit... Myself, I tend to listen for how my tone changes when pedals are added or removed from my rig. Too much change, and I'll either pitch the offending pedal out the window or mod it for true bypass.
Lately, I've turned my focus to the cables. I'm gradually swapping out cheap patch cables for better quality ones and wherever possible I prefer to use male/male couplers with no actual cable between the jacks. The less wire in my signal path the better since I'm now approaching 15 pedals.
This is why I dislike Boss's newer pedals for the most part... It's not the sound they produce but the sound the buffers take away from the bypassed signal. I find the vintage, Japanese Boss pedals to be less prone to this. As for the few pedals I own that have lower quality buffers, I tend to place them between pedals known to have a superior buffer in them.
I also find that as long as unwanted noise is not an issue, you can compensate for frequency loss to some degree with the controls of your amp. Also, keep in mind that some may like the way a buffer or cable causes the highs to be rolled off a bit... Myself, I tend to listen for how my tone changes when pedals are added or removed from my rig. Too much change, and I'll either pitch the offending pedal out the window or mod it for true bypass.
Lately, I've turned my focus to the cables. I'm gradually swapping out cheap patch cables for better quality ones and wherever possible I prefer to use male/male couplers with no actual cable between the jacks. The less wire in my signal path the better since I'm now approaching 15 pedals.
Chickenwings
Alnico 6/8
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Ye olde buffer debate returns (did it ever leave?).
Looking forward to seeing Vasshu's post. Always entertaining.
Ye olde buffer debate returns (did it ever leave?).
Looking forward to seeing Vasshu's post. Always entertaining.
Gainstage
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Smartest thing I started doing a few years back was making my own cables, saves me a fortune and is pretty easy to do even for a wiring hack like me. You can get these heavy duty low cap pro plugs straight or right angle from Orange Co Speaker Com. for like $2 a piece, superior to most plugs. I still buy my main feeds but when I had a really large pedal board making my own cables saved me hundreds and mine are really good quality. I prefer soldered connections to wireless kits myself.
I think the new Waza Boss upgrades are bypass but that is just not a line that summons me anymore. Just so much cool stuff out there and who needs a ton of buffers. I am picky about my gear and these days I do not have to settle for anything low priced. Some pedals are just better, some think it is just about spending money, now I am not spending $2K on a Klon but I am not messing with $30 pedals either. The larger the board the greater the interaction and buffer cascade issue becomes. Like I am going to put a used cheap Boss next to my Palladium.
The issues of buffer and bypass is complex and if one is not hip to the issues or problems then arguments are futile.
That being said I would put the chipmunks before the drive.
Smartest thing I started doing a few years back was making my own cables, saves me a fortune and is pretty easy to do even for a wiring hack like me. You can get these heavy duty low cap pro plugs straight or right angle from Orange Co Speaker Com. for like $2 a piece, superior to most plugs. I still buy my main feeds but when I had a really large pedal board making my own cables saved me hundreds and mine are really good quality. I prefer soldered connections to wireless kits myself.
I think the new Waza Boss upgrades are bypass but that is just not a line that summons me anymore. Just so much cool stuff out there and who needs a ton of buffers. I am picky about my gear and these days I do not have to settle for anything low priced. Some pedals are just better, some think it is just about spending money, now I am not spending $2K on a Klon but I am not messing with $30 pedals either. The larger the board the greater the interaction and buffer cascade issue becomes. Like I am going to put a used cheap Boss next to my Palladium.
The issues of buffer and bypass is complex and if one is not hip to the issues or problems then arguments are futile.
That being said I would put the chipmunks before the drive.
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Shooter.556
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Build one.. It's much more rewarding and you can build what you want..
Build one.. It's much more rewarding and you can build what you want..
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Funkfingers
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Plus, you can make endless self-aggrandising video recordings of yourself describing the thing. People the world over will be in awe of your self-evident musical genius before you even play a note.
"By his pedals shall ye know him." Reverbs 21:12
Plus, you can make endless self-aggrandising video recordings of yourself describing the thing. People the world over will be in awe of your self-evident musical genius before you even play a note.
"By his pedals shall ye know him." Reverbs 21:12
skyydogg01
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Is Nathan still alive? It's been about a week since we've seen his latest pedalboard
Is Nathan still alive? It's been about a week since we've seen his latest pedalboard
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Little Pigbacon
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Upgrading the RAM in your Phase 90?
I'm wanting to stick to pedaltrain, but I need a bigger board, as you can tell, I have outgrown my Classic II.
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Upgrading the RAM in your Phase 90?
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Funkfingers
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I reckon he'll be shoving a PCI card up a Chipmunk toy.
I reckon he'll be shoving a PCI card up a Chipmunk toy.
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
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I true bypassed my buffer in my practise setup and schedule...I now have multiplied my talent by a factor of 199327373898.2.....eat sh!t hehe!
I love when people try to make uniform statements about gear...as it is as varied as there are products!!!
One amp likes this, another hates the same pedalsetup and such...
Some cables sounds good with some things, and horrible in other setups...
Yeah you need a bigger board for all them pedels!!!
(wonder how they even could play in the old days??) (maybe they had political/sincere/allwaysspeaksthetruth/bypassoperations/blended/fluxed/secrets we knothing about?)
Ah bigger boards and titanium cables with solid steel ringers
Oh well never mind......Boss/Ibanez/Maxon sucks.....only specialised PHD educated truth bypassed underground goblins can make a bypass that speaks der truth! (sounds like a idea for a new name for a bypass for pedels....political bypass...I speak trooth, while I suck der tooone)
All hail the bigger boards and the truthful bypass preachers!
P'S Some of the crap I make also has religious bypass....mostly because I am too lazy to make a big deal out of it
Best regards the sympathetic Scandinavian.
(Hey I speak the truth....bypass me!)
PP'S I love how close your waaaaah is to the power supply!
I true bypassed my buffer in my practise setup and schedule...I now have multiplied my talent by a factor of 199327373898.2.....eat sh!t hehe!
I love when people try to make uniform statements about gear...as it is as varied as there are products!!!
One amp likes this, another hates the same pedalsetup and such...
Some cables sounds good with some things, and horrible in other setups...
Yeah you need a bigger board for all them pedels!!!
(wonder how they even could play in the old days??) (maybe they had political/sincere/allwaysspeaksthetruth/bypassoperations/blended/fluxed/secrets we knothing about?)
Ah bigger boards and titanium cables with solid steel ringers
Oh well never mind......Boss/Ibanez/Maxon sucks.....only specialised PHD educated truth bypassed underground goblins can make a bypass that speaks der truth! (sounds like a idea for a new name for a bypass for pedels....political bypass...I speak trooth, while I suck der tooone)
All hail the bigger boards and the truthful bypass preachers!
P'S Some of the crap I make also has religious bypass....mostly because I am too lazy to make a big deal out of it
Best regards the sympathetic Scandinavian.
(Hey I speak the truth....bypass me!)
PP'S I love how close your waaaaah is to the power supply!
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