Pedals with tubes in them?

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I believe that Dave Gilmore still uses our discontinued "Twin Tube Classic". It's a collector's item but I see them on Ebay occasionally. I love mine. I like the original post here about using with a Power Stage 170. I believe I'm going to give that a try! Thanks for the idea!
 
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I have an old Real Tube 901; swapped the 12AX7 for a 12AU7, and that works better for me. Still works well for getting a singing, Boogie-like lead tone. But using it for crunch rhythm has been less successful for me.

Butler did pedals for other companies like Ibanez, Chandler, Dean Markley, et.al.

The Radial TONEBONE pedals use tubes and sound pretty good.

Bill
 
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Butler did pedals for other companies like Ibanez, Chandler, Dean Markley, et.al.

I have the Chandler rack he did and absolutlly love it. It is the best overdrive/distortion I have ever played through. Unfortunally I can't use it for my ultra high gain stuff but it gets used for everything else.
 
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I've had a Blackstar HT Distx and, briefly, a Dual. I would've kept the Dual, but it had some issues with the switch, and when I exchanged it, the replacement unit had some other issues. When I replaced that one, the third unit had switch issues again (or maybe they just sent me the first unit again), so I gave up. It sounded great though. I'd love to find a functioning one or even another DistX for a good price. I can't swear that the tube is the reason they sound so good, but the LT Dual I picked up on the cheap doesn't seem as juicy and complex, though I've never been able to compare the LT and HT back-to-back.
 
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I have a Blackstar HT Drive pedal with a tube in it. It is described as 'pure valve overdrive' but is anything but - there is a ton of solid state stuff in it. It sounds utterly crap. Lots of distortion but absolutely no punch/bite. I was listening to a demo of Fulltone's OCD (no tubes) that would eat it for breakfast. My Boss OD3 is a way better pedal.
 
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As mentioned, the cool thing about tube pedals is that if they're too soggy for your taste, you can use a lower gain tube. And if it sounds harsh with a particular tube, you can try one with a different flavor. Lots of NOS tubes to be had, and great vintage 12AT7s & 12AU7s are generally cheaper than 12AX7s because there's far less demand for 'em.

I have an old Butler-designed PureTube Smooth pedal, it's got 3-band EQ which is handy. The Butler circuits use a starved-tube design which vastly extends tube life. Mine was intended as a low-to-medium gain pedal and it works quite well but I haven't been using it much. It's aptly named though, smooth and liquid tone.

Have heard good things about the English Muff'n but never played one myself. Word is, the trick to a classic British sound on those is to start with the tone controls all at zero and only increase them if you need more in a particular area. Kind of counterintuitive but it's said to keep the gain from getting too hairy. There's a used one for sale over on TGP I think. But even new they're not that expensive.

The thing about sag is that I think you generally get more from power tubes than preamp tubes. Even in full Recto mode my Triaxis doesn't produce much sag compared to a set of 6L6s working hard. And Triaxis is far and away the best tube preamp I've ever encountered.

One small twin-tube tube unit I do really like is a Hughes & Kettner Cream Machine. I've had mine for about 25 years now and it's a real firebreather- used it for years as my feedback-on-demand box. The beauty of these is that they're designed using both halves of the first tube as preamp stages, and the second tube acts as a 1W power amp whose output is then stepped down. Fully driven tubes including a poweramp stage with its own level control. The thing can actually drive a speaker, not quite loud enough to jam with a band but loud enough to feed back. And there's a RedBox on one of the outputs in case you want to go direct. Very amplike indeed, with a pronounced Marshall tone. It's a half rack unit though, not a stompbox. But H & K really got it right. They made two other similarly-configured units in this series and all are quite good.
 
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in the starved plate designs the tubes are mostly for a) show or b) eq coloring. running at such low voltages they dont really bring any gain to the party. doesnt mean they cant be cool sounding units though. i have a twin tube classic and a twin tube blue. i bet either of those would be sweet with a powerstage as a small portable tone filled rig
 
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I agree with Jeremy, some of the starved plate "tube" distortion pedals sound good, but it's because they are well designed distortion pedals.

Most of the tube "preamp" pedals sound really good and most of them are running the plate voltage at 200V - 300V so the tubes are functioning just like they would in a real tube amp. I've used the AMT SS-11b and SS-20 and both sound great, I used those for years direct and through a ISP Stealth power amp. Those Russians know their tubes! FWIW, the SS-30 is a FET based preamp and sounds great too.
 
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B.K. Butler counts both Eric Johnson and David Gilmour as customers/users for his original-design Tube Driver pedal. He also makes one with a bias control.

I've got both a regular and biased model, and run them through a JCM800 100w head. The pedal enhances what's already there, certainly, but doesn't turn it into a raging high-gain beast. It could also be used on a non-channel-switching head to "replace" the amp's dirt settings, and then use another booster in front of that, especially for the JCM800. Stacking both pedals, however, doubles the noise as well as the gain.
 
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I think the Tube Driver pedals use a starved plate design (I could be wrong), but yes, they do sound great. I had one of the original Tube Driver amps too, great sounding amp! Better after I added a master volume after the effects loop.
 
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I am sure there are really good sounding tube pedals, and bad sounding ones (I have tried those). Same as regular analog circuits. I generally don't like the proprietary power supplies and the extra weight, though.
 
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I own several tube pedals and they do something special. I own a Seymour Duncan Twin Tube Blue, Electro Harmonix English Muff'n, 2 Rocktron Silver Dragons, 2 BK Butler Blue Tube and a Real Tube and a Radial Tonebone Classic. The English Muff'n, Radial Tonebone, Twin Tube Blue and the Real Tube are my favorites. One of the Blue Tube pedals I modified to use an octal (larger 8 pin) tube and I had to punch a hole in the side of the pedal housing to fit the larger tube. The Twin Tube Blue is like having the front end of a two channel amp. The Silver Dragon pedals are really high gain. Starved plate designed pedals are sometimes really good sounding.
 
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I've used a couple and thought they sounded good but not good enough to keep.

I use a Fender tube amp (Blues Deluxe) and have great result with tubeless pedals for boost and drive on my amp.

Same here. Had a Tubeworks Real Tube. I get better overdrive from a Tubescreamer or Klon KTR. Gave the Real Tube to a friend who likes it.
 
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I am sure there are really good sounding tube pedals, and bad sounding ones (I have tried those). Same as regular analog circuits. I generally don't like the proprietary power supplies and the extra weight, though.

The AMT tube preamps don't weigh any more than normal pedals, they do use 12V power supplies though, 1.25A IIRC.
 
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