PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
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the list is there
I can also elaborate on tones but that would take like so many hours to compile all the data! The screaming 8 is a great pup in the bridge of a brighter toned guitar. But it's so, so good in the neck position.
the list is there
I can also elaborate on tones but that would take like so many hours to compile all the data! The screaming 8 is a great pup in the bridge of a brighter toned guitar. But it's so, so good in the neck position.blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
I was using mostly stock magnets until A8's become popular. I put those in a number of bridge PU's (never in a neck one). It gave me the mids and warmth I was looking for. Then Addiction FX showed up with UOA5's. Big event! I was the first guy here (as far as I know) to buy and try his UOA5's. First PU was a C5, and the UOA5 sounded great in it. Not as high output as an A8, and a looser, more vintage feel, with more dynamics and texture, like the best qualities of an A2 and A5, without the downsides of either. That's been my 'go to' bridge magnet for bridges for several years now. I've recently started using UOA5's in the neck slot, when an A2 is a little too warm. For a '59/Custom hybrid, UOA5's, A2's, and A8's would be the best magnets to get the tones I want, depending on how vintage or aggressive I want the PU to sound. Matter of taste and genre.
Now that I'm making hybrids, I'm using more A2's (bridge and neck), as it's a nice fit with the brighter, sharper sound of many hybrids. The bigger the difference between coils, the warmer the magnet I use. My brightest, clearest neck HB's I own are hybrids with UOA5's (who'd have thought?). I still get the rich texture, and at the same time actually add treble and high-end by having unbalanced coils. That's a win-win for me.
In making hybrids, you need to have goals in mind before you start. For me, it's getting the bridge and neck PU's EQ's closer to each other (warm, full bridge and sharp, clear neck). Other players want different things. Having goals guides your coil and magnet selection. If you don't have that figured out up front, you're just wandering around and may or may not stumble on something you like. With the OP, what is he looking for from a hybrid, that he's not getting from a stock PU? That question should be answered before he starts his quest, which is why I've given him the info I have on what hybrids work and why.
I was using mostly stock magnets until A8's become popular. I put those in a number of bridge PU's (never in a neck one). It gave me the mids and warmth I was looking for. Then Addiction FX showed up with UOA5's. Big event! I was the first guy here (as far as I know) to buy and try his UOA5's. First PU was a C5, and the UOA5 sounded great in it. Not as high output as an A8, and a looser, more vintage feel, with more dynamics and texture, like the best qualities of an A2 and A5, without the downsides of either. That's been my 'go to' bridge magnet for bridges for several years now. I've recently started using UOA5's in the neck slot, when an A2 is a little too warm. For a '59/Custom hybrid, UOA5's, A2's, and A8's would be the best magnets to get the tones I want, depending on how vintage or aggressive I want the PU to sound. Matter of taste and genre.
Now that I'm making hybrids, I'm using more A2's (bridge and neck), as it's a nice fit with the brighter, sharper sound of many hybrids. The bigger the difference between coils, the warmer the magnet I use. My brightest, clearest neck HB's I own are hybrids with UOA5's (who'd have thought?). I still get the rich texture, and at the same time actually add treble and high-end by having unbalanced coils. That's a win-win for me.
In making hybrids, you need to have goals in mind before you start. For me, it's getting the bridge and neck PU's EQ's closer to each other (warm, full bridge and sharp, clear neck). Other players want different things. Having goals guides your coil and magnet selection. If you don't have that figured out up front, you're just wandering around and may or may not stumble on something you like. With the OP, what is he looking for from a hybrid, that he's not getting from a stock PU? That question should be answered before he starts his quest, which is why I've given him the info I have on what hybrids work and why.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
That's an example of a tone goal that's very different than mine. You like warm, dark neck PU's, so you're going to approach neck hybrids differently than I do. What sounds great for one of us, may not be very good for the other. That's why people need to think thru what they're looking for, and choose the coils and magnets accordingly. This isn't a one-size-fits-all. When you make a hybrid, you're creating a new PU. What do you want from it?
That's an example of a tone goal that's very different than mine. You like warm, dark neck PU's, so you're going to approach neck hybrids differently than I do. What sounds great for one of us, may not be very good for the other. That's why people need to think thru what they're looking for, and choose the coils and magnets accordingly. This isn't a one-size-fits-all. When you make a hybrid, you're creating a new PU. What do you want from it?
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
Sorry but you're absolutely wrong. I prefer my neck pickups to be clean and clear, open and articulate. I want warmth with treble detail that can be rolled off with the tone pot. The screaming demon is one of the best neck pickups I have ever, ever heard (hybrids not withstanding) and the demon 8 has a bit more power and a bit more mids, which is great in superbright shredsticks. set it up lower to get more 'air' to your tone, of course.
What I want from a pickup depends on what I want from the guitar of course. But always: clarity, articulation, precision and versatility.
Sorry but you're absolutely wrong. I prefer my neck pickups to be clean and clear, open and articulate. I want warmth with treble detail that can be rolled off with the tone pot. The screaming demon is one of the best neck pickups I have ever, ever heard (hybrids not withstanding) and the demon 8 has a bit more power and a bit more mids, which is great in superbright shredsticks. set it up lower to get more 'air' to your tone, of course.
What I want from a pickup depends on what I want from the guitar of course. But always: clarity, articulation, precision and versatility.
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
Holy!! This is gold dude!:yourock:
For metal players please tell us which of these did you like best:
jb/super distortion DMZ guts
jb/super distortion SD guts
distortion/superdistortion
invader/x2n DMZ guts
invader/x2n SD guts
Those Invader/X2N must look mean as hell! Sacrilege too, haha. I can imagine that babe with this seth n/ screaming demon, alnico 8. :saeek:
Holy!! This is gold dude!:yourock:
For metal players please tell us which of these did you like best:
jb/super distortion DMZ guts
jb/super distortion SD guts
distortion/superdistortion
invader/x2n DMZ guts
invader/x2n SD guts
Those Invader/X2N must look mean as hell! Sacrilege too, haha. I can imagine that babe with this seth n/ screaming demon, alnico 8. :saeek:
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
Thankyou & Orpheo man! I'm going to print this thread.
I like my neck & bridge but as you said "warm, full bridge and sharp, clear neck" but other players like different things, and one must be able to help them out.
Thankyou & Orpheo man! I'm going to print this thread.
I like my neck & bridge but as you said "warm, full bridge and sharp, clear neck" but other players like different things, and one must be able to help them out.
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Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
For these you taped out the slugs and injected Alnico 5 slugs? Nice.
For these you taped out the slugs and injected Alnico 5 slugs? Nice.
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
I like them all, each for their own merits. the difference of SD vs DMZ guts is huge. with guts I mean: magnet and baseplate. The DMZ is across the board thicker, fatter, more congested.
I love the invader/x2n but I removed those cap polepieces and replaced them with hex threaded inserts. Yes I'm a bit of a crazy guy when it comes to it haha. The invader/x2n is so, so ****ing hot and so much bite with so much articulation. They are all just HOT HOT HOT.
The thing is, mixing DMZ and SD is a bit hard since the holes for the coils don't match with the baseplate.
I like them all, each for their own merits. the difference of SD vs DMZ guts is huge. with guts I mean: magnet and baseplate. The DMZ is across the board thicker, fatter, more congested.
I love the invader/x2n but I removed those cap polepieces and replaced them with hex threaded inserts. Yes I'm a bit of a crazy guy when it comes to it haha. The invader/x2n is so, so ****ing hot and so much bite with so much articulation. They are all just HOT HOT HOT.
The thing is, mixing DMZ and SD is a bit hard since the holes for the coils don't match with the baseplate.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
I thought you liked them darker, must be thinking of someone else. But still, for me a Screamin' Demon is too hot and warm for the neck slot. I've made a bridge hybrid with a Screamin' Demon coil. I like my neck hybrids to be around 8K, and non-hybrid necks to be mid to high 7K.
I thought you liked them darker, must be thinking of someone else. But still, for me a Screamin' Demon is too hot and warm for the neck slot. I've made a bridge hybrid with a Screamin' Demon coil. I like my neck hybrids to be around 8K, and non-hybrid necks to be mid to high 7K.
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
Try it before you judge it. You know perfectly well that DC resistance says nothing about output. To have an equal saturation with 43 awg, you'd have to go to around 7k a coil. The demon is just 5,5 or 6. That's quite heavily underwound to add clarity. I've demonstrated it time in time again.
and if you don't believe me because well... never mind, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3-4BwMTlTM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
all the cleans were done on that pickup. it works. the demon works VERY well in the neck position. and I don't like 'm darker, I wanna have clarity because with a lot of clarity the tone pot works as a parametric equalizer in stead of just a filter.
Try it before you judge it. You know perfectly well that DC resistance says nothing about output. To have an equal saturation with 43 awg, you'd have to go to around 7k a coil. The demon is just 5,5 or 6. That's quite heavily underwound to add clarity. I've demonstrated it time in time again.
and if you don't believe me because well... never mind, watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3-4BwMTlTM&feature=youtube_gdata_player
all the cleans were done on that pickup. it works. the demon works VERY well in the neck position. and I don't like 'm darker, I wanna have clarity because with a lot of clarity the tone pot works as a parametric equalizer in stead of just a filter.
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
So what did you do? Drill new holes in one half of the baseplate? I imagine you putting a SD baseplate on top of the DMZ to see where the new holes will go, but maybe there was a better solution.
So what did you do? Drill new holes in one half of the baseplate? I imagine you putting a SD baseplate on top of the DMZ to see where the new holes will go, but maybe there was a better solution.
blueman335
Mojo's Minions
Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
I'm speaking from experience. I've tried a Screamin' Demon in the neck, and it's too hot for my tastes. I like PAF's in the neck slot much better.
I'm speaking from experience. I've tried a Screamin' Demon in the neck, and it's too hot for my tastes. I like PAF's in the neck slot much better.
UberMetalDood
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Re: PG/Seth Lover Hybrid?
Thanks because that is exactly what I wanted to know and wondered the same thing after his response, even though there was still some good information in it. However, Blueman is a pretty good guy and helps a lot without ever getting caught up in forum drama (to my knowledge). I don't think you were being as rude as your post seem to be received, and God knows I'm guilty of speaking plainly my self, but that's all I'm going to about that stuff.
Well I asked a couple of people and they seem to think that some wax potting will help a little. It does, as you say, sound like it could make a great pickup for the aforementioned reasons. They're slightly mismatched with different tonal characters and both A2. My thinking is that a Seth screw coil + PG slug coil paired with an unpolished A2 would be the right combination, but I'm certainly no expert and that is all based on assumption and my limited experience with mag swaps and hybrids.
Impressive and thanks for the information. It seems to confirm what I think will turn out, except I plan to use an unpolished A2 to soften the high end a bit. Well, all I can do is try it out. I'll post a review in a few weeks once I have had a chance to put it together. Magnet is already on order.
Thanks because that is exactly what I wanted to know and wondered the same thing after his response, even though there was still some good information in it. However, Blueman is a pretty good guy and helps a lot without ever getting caught up in forum drama (to my knowledge). I don't think you were being as rude as your post seem to be received, and God knows I'm guilty of speaking plainly my self, but that's all I'm going to about that stuff.
Well I asked a couple of people and they seem to think that some wax potting will help a little. It does, as you say, sound like it could make a great pickup for the aforementioned reasons. They're slightly mismatched with different tonal characters and both A2. My thinking is that a Seth screw coil + PG slug coil paired with an unpolished A2 would be the right combination, but I'm certainly no expert and that is all based on assumption and my limited experience with mag swaps and hybrids.
Impressive and thanks for the information. It seems to confirm what I think will turn out, except I plan to use an unpolished A2 to soften the high end a bit. Well, all I can do is try it out. I'll post a review in a few weeks once I have had a chance to put it together. Magnet is already on order.
