Quencho092
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how does this affect tone. I want to know about it since the deluxe reverb has 2 of them and a rectifier.
Phase inverter-how it affects tone
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the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Phase inverter-how it affects tone
I am confused by your post...it looks like you are saying that a deluxe Reverb has 2 phase inverters, which is NOT true
Quencho092 said:
I am confused by your post...it looks like you are saying that a deluxe Reverb has 2 phase inverters, which is NOT true
Quencho092
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Re: Phase inverter-how it affects tone
2 12AT7 tubes in the phase inverter?
2 12AT7 tubes in the phase inverter?
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Phase inverter-how it affects tone
OK...your amp DOES have 2 12AT7's...but only one of them is the phase inverter...the other one is the reverb driver tube. To answer your question about it affecting tone, it doesn't affect it much at all...this tube provides no gain so it's affect on your tone is minimal
Quencho092 said:
OK...your amp DOES have 2 12AT7's...but only one of them is the phase inverter...the other one is the reverb driver tube. To answer your question about it affecting tone, it doesn't affect it much at all...this tube provides no gain so it's affect on your tone is minimal
the guy who invented fire
Fuzzy. Guitars
Re: Phase inverter-how it affects tone
Which MArshalls are you talking about?
aleclee said:
Which MArshalls are you talking about?
Vasshu the humanoid typhoon
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Re: Phase inverter-how it affects tone
It is not how much or little crossover distortion it will control, the never ones are more balanced or what ever it is called in english..lol
Sorry my tubeamp knowledge is somewhat rusty
It is not how much or little crossover distortion it will control, the never ones are more balanced or what ever it is called in english..lol
Sorry my tubeamp knowledge is somewhat rusty
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Lewguitar
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Re: Phase inverter-how it affects tone
The type of tube does affect the tone.
In a Deluxe Reverb a 12at7 will cause the amp to have a cleaner, less grainy tone than a 12ax7 tube will. The 12ax7 will have more drive and make getting a ballsier more overdriven tone easier.
Not always the best choice in a DR though. I used 12ax7's for a while in my blackface Fenders and went back to the 12at7 phase invertor after a while.
In a blackface Fender there's a little cap that feeds the input of the phase invertor tube. The value varies and some use .001 and others use .01 or even .02. Changing the value of this cap from .001 to .01 or .02 allows for a ballsier, fuller, more overdriven tone too.
I've gone back to using the standard value in most of my blackface Fenders...but .01 can work well in the louder Fenders like the Super Reverb and Twin Reverb for getting a little breakup at lower volumes.
Lew
The type of tube does affect the tone.
In a Deluxe Reverb a 12at7 will cause the amp to have a cleaner, less grainy tone than a 12ax7 tube will. The 12ax7 will have more drive and make getting a ballsier more overdriven tone easier.
Not always the best choice in a DR though. I used 12ax7's for a while in my blackface Fenders and went back to the 12at7 phase invertor after a while.
In a blackface Fender there's a little cap that feeds the input of the phase invertor tube. The value varies and some use .001 and others use .01 or even .02. Changing the value of this cap from .001 to .01 or .02 allows for a ballsier, fuller, more overdriven tone too.
I've gone back to using the standard value in most of my blackface Fenders...but .01 can work well in the louder Fenders like the Super Reverb and Twin Reverb for getting a little breakup at lower volumes.
Lew
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Lewguitar
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Re: Phase inverter-how it affects tone
I was just supporting what you said! :laugh2:
Luke Duke said:
I was just supporting what you said! :laugh2:
Luke Duke
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Re: Phase inverter-how it affects tone
Lew being you are a year or two older than me and have dealt with Fenders 4 or 5 years longer than me :laugh2: .....(have to gain my composure) I like to think that you are speaking on experience and as an authority...whereas I speak from my ARSE! It's entirely possible that my Z is backwards from the rest of the world. In which case I would be giving opposite directions! I didn't figure so but I know there are those much more knowledgeable than myself.
Luke
Lewguitar said:
Lew being you are a year or two older than me and have dealt with Fenders 4 or 5 years longer than me :laugh2: .....(have to gain my composure) I like to think that you are speaking on experience and as an authority...whereas I speak from my ARSE! It's entirely possible that my Z is backwards from the rest of the world. In which case I would be giving opposite directions! I didn't figure so but I know there are those much more knowledgeable than myself.
Luke
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Lewguitar
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Re: Phase inverter-how it affects tone
The reason is this: even when the master volume is on 10, the 1M master volume pot itself acts like a 1M grid load resistor on the input of the phase invertor tube. Without a master volume control, there is no addtional 1M grid load resistor like that. That's why an amp like that with a master volume sounds differant than the same amp with no master volume....even when it's on 10 it acts like a 1M grid load resistor. I think! :smack:
Lew
aleclee said:
The reason is this: even when the master volume is on 10, the 1M master volume pot itself acts like a 1M grid load resistor on the input of the phase invertor tube. Without a master volume control, there is no addtional 1M grid load resistor like that. That's why an amp like that with a master volume sounds differant than the same amp with no master volume....even when it's on 10 it acts like a 1M grid load resistor. I think! :smack:
Lew
