Phat Cat hum question...

[Farkus]

If I have a RWRP Antiquity single coil, will it be hum cancelling with a Phat Cat bridge pickup? I was just wondering, b/c I know theres some issue with the RWRP Antiquity single and the twangbucker...I plan on using the Antiquity in the neck and the Phat Cat in the bridge of a strat.

Thanks!
Farkus

 

[Kent S.]

Re: Phat Cat hum question...

Don't know, but I had to remind Kellie about something anyway, so I went ahead and asked about the specs on the Phat Cats (Neck and Bridge).
I'll probably get an answer Monday afternoon.

 

[Farkus]

Re: Phat Cat hum question...

shameless bump...!

 

[Kelsey]

Re: Phat Cat hum question...

The Phat Cat neck pickup is apparently RWRP with the Jerry Donahue Tele lead pickup, as this combo in my Tele is hum-canceling when combined. However, I think there was some discussion about the Antiquity Strat pickups not being RWRP with more modern designs like the Twangbanger, so who knows. I mean really, who knows?

 

[Kent S.]

Re: Phat Cat hum question...

The Ant pups are exactly backwards from the non-ants. Meaning if you would *normally* order a RWRP pup, and you have an ANT, then you would order the opposite of what you need. The NON-RW/RP Ant. is the same as a NON-Ant RW/RP, and a RW/RP Ant. is the same as a NON Ant. NON-RW/RP. Read that one more time as that's real important. I haven't as yet heard anything back from Kellie yet, so I'm not familiar with the stock wind and polarity of any of them.

 

[Farkus]

Re: Phat Cat hum question...

So if I have a RW/RP antiquity pickup, I'd need a second RW/RP non-antiquity SD pickup to be humcancelling then? For example, if I had a RW/RP stock A2 strat pickup, it would be humbucking with the antiquity RW/RP? Is this what you're saying?

Farkus

 

[Kent S.]

Re: Phat Cat hum question...

So if I have a RW/RP antiquity pickup, I'd need a second RW/RP non-antiquity SD pickup to be humcancelling then? For example, if I had a RW/RP stock A2 strat pickup, it would be humbucking with the antiquity RW/RP? Is this what you're saying?

Farkus

I've still received no answer from Kellie or Scott on it at the moment, the problem is that I have to assume that the Phat Cats follow the same convention as the other SDs (which I'm fairly certain that they do) ... they say the a pair of Phat Cats (neck and bridge) are hum-cancelling when on together ...okay, well if I use their standard P-90 wind direction/magnetic polarity (TL/TC-S), then if the Phat Cat follows the same convention as that (which wouldn't be a RW/RP condition), the you'd need a Non-RW/RP Antiquity single coil pup with it to be hum-cancelling. The problem is that that assumes the the phat cat bridge is like the standard P-90 that they make ... (since I don't know *which* way, *which* pup (neck/bridge) is wound in the phat cat set, all I know is that one is RW/WP from the other.
Now, I would assume that SD used the bridge pup as the refernce for Non-RW/RP, and that the neck was RW/WP ...However the ANT. set of P-90s are bridge, TL/TC-S; neck, TL/TG-N ... Which are the same specs as the NON-Ant. pups! See, the problem? That goes against the standard convention of the Ant. pups being the opposite of the Non-Ant. pups. I thought I had a concrete answer for you, but I don't ... I need to know the wind/polarity of the PC bridge to know for sure, and I don't have that info.
If your bridge is TL/TC-S, then you need a NON-RW/RP Ant. single coil to go with it; if you bridge is TL/TG-N, then you need a RW/WP Ant. single coil to go with that one. Best thing to do since I haven't gotten a any info on them yet is to call SD, and ask what the convention is for your PC, and then you'll know. Wish I could tell you more, sorry guy I tried ...

 

[Kelsey]

Re: Phat Cat hum question...

I think the "reverse" convention only applies to the repro Fender pickups in the Antiquity line. SD single coils are not compatible with the polarity and wind of current Fender pickups. Are SD humbuckers compatible with the polarity and wind of Gibson humbuckers?

 

[Kent S.]

Re: Phat Cat hum question...

I got your answer Farkus (just checked my e-mail), for a Phat Cat bridge pup you want a Non-RW/RP Antquity single coil for your neck ...
FYI ... The Phat Cat bridge is TL/TC-South; Neck is TL/TG-North. You got your answer, sorry about the delay.

 

[Kent S.]

Re: Phat Cat hum question...

I think the "reverse" convention only applies to the repro Fender pickups in the Antiquity line. SD single coils are not compatible with the polarity and wind of current Fender pickups. Are SD humbuckers compatible with the polarity and wind of Gibson humbuckers?

The maker has nothing to do with anything, the wind direction is merely a phase issue, swapping leads is the same as reverse winding a pup's coil, magnetic polarities account for humcancelling conditions.
As far as the Gibbys go, I can oonly speak according to the StewMac info sheet specs ... As I don't have on available ... it states that they the wind is CCW, but there sheet also states the the wind for SD HBs are CW, but they are talking about the bobbin direction there, not the actual wind direction of the coil wire around the bobbin ... Meanwhile in the DMZ they actually indicate the coil wire direction ... So in the gubson I don't know which they are referring to ...If it's a problem though either swap the leads, or in the event of a two conductor pups (read both having braided shields) reverse the magnet on one pup, doesn't matter which one.

 

[Gary Ladd]

Re: Phat Cat hum question...

The Phat Cat neck pickup is apparently RWRP with the Jerry Donahue Tele lead pickup, as this combo in my Tele is hum-canceling when combined. However, I think there was some discussion about the Antiquity Strat pickups not being RWRP with more modern designs like the Twangbanger, so who knows. I mean really, who knows?

Really, who the **** really knows?

Cause no one took the effort to put that info with all the other specs on the PuP data sheet :smack:

 

[Gary Ladd]

Re: Phat Cat hum question...

I've still received no answer from Kellie or Scott on it at the moment, the problem is that I have to assume that the Phat Cats follow the same convention as the other SDs (which I'm fairly certain that they do) ... they say the a pair of Phat Cats (neck and bridge) are hum-cancelling when on together ...okay, well if I use their standard P-90 wind direction/magnetic polarity (TL/TC-S), then if the Phat Cat follows the same convention as that (which wouldn't be a RW/RP condition), the you'd need a Non-RW/RP Antiquity single coil pup with it to be hum-cancelling. The problem is that that assumes the the phat cat bridge is like the standard P-90 that they make ... (since I don't know *which* way, *which* pup (neck/bridge) is wound in the phat cat set, all I know is that one is RW/WP from the other.
Now, I would assume that SD used the bridge pup as the refernce for Non-RW/RP, and that the neck was RW/WP ...However the ANT. set of P-90s are bridge, TL/TC-S; neck, TL/TG-N ... Which are the same specs as the NON-Ant. pups! See, the problem? That goes against the standard convention of the Ant. pups being the opposite of the Non-Ant. pups. I thought I had a concrete answer for you, but I don't ... I need to know the wind/polarity of the PC bridge to know for sure, and I don't have that info.
If your bridge is TL/TC-S, then you need a NON-RW/RP Ant. single coil to go with it; if you bridge is TL/TG-N, then you need a RW/WP Ant. single coil to go with that one. Best thing to do since I haven't gotten a any info on them yet is to call SD, and ask what the convention is for your PC, and then you'll know. Wish I could tell you more, sorry guy I tried ...

If they just posted specific info on PuP wind/polarity SOME-****ING-WHERE on the website as a reference people wouldn't have to spend 30 minutes typing-up stuff like the above!

:soapbox:

:lame:

:dammit:

:stooges:

 

[Gary Ladd]

Re: Phat Cat hum question...

I got your answer Farkus (just checked my e-mail), for a Phat Cat bridge pup you want a Non-RW/RP Antquity single coil for your neck ...
FYI ... The Phat Cat bridge is TL/TC-South; Neck is TL/TG-North. You got your answer, sorry about the delay.

WTF is TL/TC & TL/TG??

How about putting it in terms of CW (Clockwise) & CCW (Counter-Clockwise) like everyone else, then adding that to the data sheet for each PuP?

I guess that would be too hard, eh? :smack: