Phat Cats Blow Away P-94s? a Rumor ?

CajunBlues

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I have been doing a lot of reasearch on P-90 type pickup replacements in a humbucker cavity... And I have read that the P-94s really aren't that great compared to the Phat Cats...

Any other opinions... Or why Gibson could lag behind on that front ?
 
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Phat Cats are a great PU with one drawback, the A2 magnets. For many (warm) Gibson design guitars (which is where most logically end up), they can be very dark in the neck (almost no treble), and weak & thin in the bridge, overpowered by the neck PC. If I couldn't change the magnets in them, I might not have any; but once I discovered that it's very easy to swap magnets, and that two different kinds can be paired together, that changed evrything. Currently I have 9 Phat Cats in various guitars, either as a pair, or in the neck with a HB bridge. All the A2's have been taken out (and given away to forum members).

In the neck I use A5/A5, A5/A4, and A5/A3 pairs which opens them up so they really sound like single coils. In the bridge I use A8/A4 and A8/A5 which gives them more output & fullness. I also use these magnet pairs in true P-90's.

P-94's are very good also, and with the stock A5 magnets are going to sound better in more guitars than a Phat Cat with A2 stock magnets. I really wish Duncan would use A5's or pair up different magnets. There's a lot of tonal options possible, which at this point are left to us to explore on our own.
 
Re: Phat Cats Blow Away P-94s? a Rumor ?

P-94's are very good also, and with the stock A5 magnets are going to sound better in more guitars than a Phat Cat with A2 stock magnets. I really wish Duncan would use A5's or pair up different magnets. There's a lot of tonal options possible, which at this point are left to us to explore on our own.

In my particular case, my P94s sounded like they had EXTREMELY DEGAUSSED A2 mags. Mud city blues in the neck and wimpy anemic in the bridge.

After a A4/A5 for the neck and A5/A8 for the bridge magnet swap started to sound decent. Before were simply unusable!
 
Re: Phat Cats Blow Away P-94s? a Rumor ?

Phat Cats are a great PU with one drawback, the A2 magnets. For many (warm) Gibson design guitars (which is where most logically end up), they can be very dark in the neck (almost no treble), and weak & thin in the bridge, overpowered by the neck PC. If I couldn't change the magnets in them, I might not have any; but once I discovered that it's very easy to swap magnets, and that two different kinds can be paired together, that changed evrything. Currently I have 9 Phat Cats in various guitars, either as a pair, or in the neck with a HB bridge. All the A2's have been taken out (and given away to forum members).

In the neck I use A5/A5, A5/A4, and A5/A3 pairs which opens them up so they really sound like single coils. In the bridge I use A8/A4 and A8/A5 which gives them more output & fullness. I also use these magnet pairs in true P-90's.

P-94's are very good also, and with the stock A5 magnets are going to sound better in more guitars than a Phat Cat with A2 stock magnets. I really wish Duncan would use A5's or pair up different magnets. There's a lot of tonal options possible, which at this point are left to us to explore on our own.


Where can I get these magnets ?
 
Re: Phat Cats Blow Away P-94s? a Rumor ?

Try the Phat Cats stock first. I have them in a couple guitars, some with the stock alnico II, others with alnico V in all positions and all sound good. It depends on what guitar you're throwing them in.
 
Re: Phat Cats Blow Away P-94s? a Rumor ?

I have been doing a lot of reasearch on P-90 type pickup replacements in a humbucker cavity... And I have read that the P-94s really aren't that great compared to the Phat Cats...

Any other opinions... Or why Gibson could lag behind on that front ?

I have done some research about this very topic myself, about two years ago, and i found GREAT song & praise for BOTH.

Both units have their fanatical supporters.
But i did found (back then) that the Phatt Cats had more lukewarm to negative reviews compared to the P94's.




Here is yet another option :

http://harmonicdesign.net/

http://harmonicdesign.net/allpages/gibsons.html - scroll down to the Z-90's.



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And let's not forget : SD Pick Ups & BG Pick Ups.

http://www.sdpickups.com/specialty.shtml - Pig Ninety

http://www.bg-pups.com/h90.html


Good luck
;)
 
Re: Phat Cats Blow Away P-94s? a Rumor ?

Here is yet another option

+1. Lots of manufacturers making HB-sized P-90's these days, lots to choose from.

One thing to keep in mind is that P-90's have 2 magnets per coil, HB's have 1/2 per coil; so magnets have a much bigger influence on a P-90's tone. If you do buy a P-90 that doesn't sound quite like what you want, it's very easy to change that.
 
Re: Phat Cats Blow Away P-94s? a Rumor ?

+1. Lots of manufacturers making HB-sized P-90's these days, lots to choose from.

One thing to keep in mind is that P-90's have 2 magnets per coil, HB's have 1/2 per coil; so magnets have a much bigger influence on a P-90's tone. If you do buy a P-90 that doesn't sound quite like what you want, it's very easy to change that.

Very good info . . . will deff keep that in mindwhen i am in the P90 market . . . and thinking about it, it will probably be before the end of the year.

I am trying to (don't larfff) get the clean'ish Jack White (from the White Stripes) tone, and boy, it is easier said than done.
I am starting a thread about it, later today.

I do not know any guitar that can cop his full hollow plastic fantastic guitar's natural tone.
His Ress-O Glass guitar sounds soo diff, from a woodenm or even chambered-wooden guitar.

One thing i know, is that his guitar is fitted with Humbucker sized P90's :cool2:
 
Re: Phat Cats Blow Away P-94s? a Rumor ?

Don't get me wrong - I love Seymour Duncan pickups, but for the P90 humbuckersized you should try the Bareknuckles Mississippi Queen set - neck Alnico 4 and bridge Alnico 5 magnets. Those are great sounding pickups.
 
Re: Phat Cats Blow Away P-94s? a Rumor ?

This one is a difficult one for me, only because I have install a set of P-94's that worked really well for me.

Then, I heard about SD Phat Cats and purchase a set of those also and like them a lot.

Later, I played another guitar that had P-94 install and it was not what my guitar sounded like at all. Help change the pups to Phat Cats, and still the guitar sounded dull.

Purchased another set of Phat Cats and love them...

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That guitar's wood dull, kinda of sounding so-so unplugged, so I thought that could be the cause of the dull, dead tone, but when the second set of Phat Cats were installed, it sounded much better!


I could never figure out why that difference existed. Caps and Pots were untouched.
 
Re: Phat Cats Blow Away P-94s? a Rumor ?

P-90 goodness anyway you look at it! RAWK on bros!!!!!

I personally dig the regular type...You should buy a P-90 guitar just for P-90s!
 
Re: Phat Cats Blow Away P-94s? a Rumor ?

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