Pickup identification

[vocalnoise]

I checked the chart on this website, but my guitar is not listed (Lone Star Strat, and I am not sure what year I purchased it. I am attaching some pix of the neck and mid pickups (the humbucker is now in a different guitar as I have p-rails on my strat). There are no labels that I can find under the pickup unless I'm supposed to remove the black plate. I am guessing they are either Pearly Gates or Texas Specials.

I am going to be wiring in an S-1 switch with my 5 way super switch following the diagram that I'll attach here as well (I believe it's a diagram for an American Deluxe Strat). In the diagram, you'll see there are 3 wires coming from the neck and mid pickups, but my guitar only has 2 from each (white and black).





Thanks for any help.
Jon

 

[Blille]

Re: Pickup identification

Was that the wiring I sent?

Those are Fender SCN pickups in the chart. They have three wires. AFAIK triangle is ground, square is shield and circle is hot.

So usually you should connect your hot to where the circle lead goes and your ground to where the triangle is. Since you're mixing Fender and Duncan pickups to avoid phase issues you should just flip that and put ground where hot goes.

 

[vocalnoise]

Re: Pickup identification

Was that the wiring I sent?

Those are Fender SCN pickups in the chart. They have three wires. AFAIK triangle is ground, square is shield and circle is hot.

So usually you should connect your hot to where the circle lead goes and your ground to where the triangle is. Since you're mixing Fender and Duncan pickups to avoid phase issues you should just flip that and put ground where hot goes.

Yeah, that's the diagram you sent. You mentioned since I'm 'mixing Fender and Duncan pickups . . .", do you mean that since I am using Duncan Pickups and that is a Fender diagram? I do know my pickups are all Duncan's.

Hopefully using Duncan Pickups will overly complicate wiring up the S-1 and 5 way superswitch. It'll be a good learning lesson either way though.

J

 

[Blille]

Pickup identification

Yeah, that's the diagram you sent. You mentioned since I'm 'mixing Fender and Duncan pickups . . .", do you mean that since I am using Duncan Pickups and that is a Fender diagram? I do know my pickups are all Duncan's.

Hopefully using Duncan Pickups will overly complicate wiring up the S-1 and 5 way superswitch. It'll be a good learning lesson either way though.

J

Sorry, I assumed your neck and middle were Fender. Then ignore my advice about swapping them. So circle is hot.

Maybe I can find a diagram with S1 without SCN. It just adds confusion. If I do I'll let you know.

 

[vocalnoise]

Re: Pickup identification

Ok, I just thought to id my guitar via serial number, and it looks like it is a 97 or 98 Lone Star Strat, so it has Texas Special single coils, and a Duncan Pearly Gates humbucker.

I tried finding a wiring diagram for that setup, but thus far no luck.

J

 

[Ayrton]

Re: Pickup identification

Is this what you need?

 

[vocalnoise]

Re: Pickup identification

Hey Chris,

That's going to be super helpful for sure! What I'm really hoping to find is an example of a Texas Specials Neck/Mid R-rail hum using S-1 with 5 way super switch.

I might be able to piece it together with this and the diagram Blille provided in another thread (it's the diagram for an American Deluxe HSS w/S-1 and 5 way super switch, so only difference is that I have pearly gates and p-rails).

J

 

[vocalnoise]

Re: Pickup identification

Sorry, I assumed your neck and middle were Fender. Then ignore my advice about swapping them. So circle is hot.

Maybe I can find a diagram with S1 without SCN. It just adds confusion. If I do I'll let you know.

You were correct actually. The Texas Specials are Fender pickups. I thought they were Duncans too since the orig humbucker is Duncan.

 

[Ayrton]

Re: Pickup identification

Hey Chris,

That's going to be super helpful for sure! What I'm really hoping to find is an example of a Texas Specials Neck/Mid R-rail hum using S-1 with 5 way super switch.

I might be able to piece it together with this and the diagram Blille provided in another thread (it's the diagram for an American Deluxe HSS w/S-1 and 5 way super switch, so only difference is that I have pearly gates and p-rails).

J

You want the American Elite HSS wiring

http://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/O...11411XXXX Service Manual REV A 11-10-2015.pdf

 

[vocalnoise]

Re: Pickup identification

You want the American Elite HSS wiring

http://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/O...11411XXXX Service Manual REV A 11-10-2015.pdf

YES! I think the P-rail should be easy enough to figure out --I'm guessing same wire colors. I can drill a hole in pick guard for the dpdt push button that is between the tone knobs on the Elite. There's an empty spot for a pot in front of my 5 way switch. I don't mind if it sticks above the pick guard a little -- that empty spot is fairly shallow.

Thanks!
Jon

 

[vocalnoise]

Re: Pickup identification

YES! I think the P-rail should be easy enough to figure out --I'm guessing same wire colors. I can drill a hole in pickguard for the dpdt push button that is between the tone knobs on the Elite. There's an empty spot for a pot in front of my 5 way switch. I don't mind if it sticks above the pick guard a little -- that empty spot is fairly shallow.

Thanks!
Jon

Now I am back to the 3 wire vs 2 wire conundrum.
In the Elite diagram, the neck has White, Green and Black wires. I assume White is hot output and black is ground (although it goes to the middle of 3 connections on S-1--I think that's a ground. Not sure what Green is.
The middle is Blue, Green, and Black. I assume that Black is still ground. Assuming layout is the same as the neck, that would make Blue hot output. Don't know what Green is here either.

I do notice that both Greens and neck Black are grounded to tone pot, so I again assume that the middle black going to S-1 is also ground.

Since this WILL in fact be Fender Neck and Mid pickups and Duncan P-rail, Blille mentioned reversing something to account for phase (I cannot see the thread while I type). I believe it was reversing where hot output and ground for each go from each pickup. This correct?

 

[vocalnoise]

Re: Pickup identification

You want the American Elite HSS wiring

http://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/O...11411XXXX Service Manual REV A 11-10-2015.pdf

Hey Chris,

I've started wiring up the S-1 and the 5 way super switch and just noticed something on the 5 way: In the Elite wiring diagram there are 12 posts on the front of the 5 way super switch, but only 8 posts on the rear layer of posts. My 5 way super switch has 12 posts in the rear layer. I have a push/push coming in to put into my empty pot cutout, so if I can get close to this Elite, I think that's going to be badass.

Do you know if the 8 posts are basically the same thing as the middle 8 on my switch? ie If I were to ignore the first 2 posts on the left and on the right, would that be the same thing I see in the diagram.

I'll try to find which type of 5 way switch this is so I compare. But if anybody knows off hand, that would be helpful. Google will be my friend in the morning.

Thanks
Jon

PS I just joined the Fender forum and asked over there . . . it occurred to me that this isn't a Fender forum.

 

[Ayrton]

Re: Pickup identification

Sorry, no clue on the S1 switching. Never used it

You can email Fender and ask about the switch.

 

[oqibidipo]

Re: Pickup identification

That looks like a combination of a regular 5-way Strat switch and a SuperSwitch.

 

[vocalnoise]

Re: Pickup identification

That looks like a combination of a regular 5-way Strat switch and a SuperSwitch.

Yes, it's called a "5 way super switch discrete"

I still have no idea what "discrete" means in terms of this switch other than the smaller rear wafer.