Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

[WGTP]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

Any tips for how to scatter the winding for the sweetest most magical single coil ever?

What is the max resistance for a standard strat coil using 43 gauge wire?

From the description of Nancy, it sounds like someone coughed and/or farted while it was being wound. Thanks. :laugh2:

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

Any tips for how to scatter the winding for the sweetest most magical single coil ever?

Can't give it to you in a clear-cut formula (especially since I'm so new at this) but probably somewhere between 7 and 10 times during the winding of a single coil, move your guide hand back and forth quickly a few times for periodic "scatters" during the winding process, the rest of the time back and forth slowly and evenly.

One other possibility that I'm investigating with a rewind for kjrocks is varying the back and forth speed of the guide hand during the "slowly and evenly" phase. It's possible that going slightly faster could give you more sweet than the occasional quick-scatter above. At least that's my theory at this point. Will get back to you on that as results come in...

What is the max resistance for a standard strat coil using 43 gauge wire?

Practically speaking, probably as much as you want. I wound a Fender pu up to 9.2k with #43 wire and there was PLENTY of room left on the bobbin for more wire. The downside was that it sounded really cold and bright even though it was over 9k -- which taught me how important it is to have a wide coil for warmth on a single coil.

Anyway, I bet you could get it up to 14-15k with #43 if you wound it neat and tight enough.

 

[WGTP]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

Seems I recall reading the Suhr used 17? different pitch rates on their computer controlled winder for their strat pickups. I'm guessing that is to simulate hand wound patterns.

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

I'm assuming this is not a stack pickup? If he's getting 17k on a standard single coil, he may be using #44 wire.

No reason a computer-controlled winder couldn't simulate hand-wound scatter. As long as you knew the exact pattern you wanted, it shouldn't be too hard to program it in, sort of like a computerized lathe or CNC machines for woodworking.

 

[Rev Donzo]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

i know the best magicial wind patten ever -- see my Joel Foy letter at my site -- he had a 51 would by Fenders Rosie -- the pattern was a trip -- when I unwound it and learned how to re-apply it -- more Fender Tone magic sprang forth then anyones ears have ever heard-- save for Rosies' originals..

That patten is a main stay here and -- sorry's it's layering build and patterns-- is staying my secret!

 

[WGTP]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

The pitch has to do with the angle of the wire as it goes on and the number of winds per layer. The 17K wasn't the resistance. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

Okay. 17 degrees would be a pretty good spread, almost from the top of the bobbin to the bottom. That's pretty scattered and would make for a pretty wide coil.

 

[nepalnt21]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

25 DB mid boost --that are actualy 12db when in bypass mode and they then can add anoter 12db making it 25db..

12+12=25?:reporter:

 

[Gibsononly]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

readings one thing doing and hearing these things first hand will change your mind on most things ya may have read -- never forget companys protect their intrest in pickups with cover up's and lies and spread false info -- all over town!

True enough. And the liberal use of patent lawyers and obtuse marketing terms. But the things I have said are commonly held opinions among many handwinders. I think the largest contributing factors are magnet,coil width and scatter. Double build insulation makes a wider coil. It may also be true that certain insulations are better than others in their ability to limit skin effect and mutual self-induction in the coil. This might be the factor that leads some to believe that certain insulations "sound" better.

 

[Rev Donzo]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

12+12=25?:reporter:

they call it a 25db for marketing

its actually 24db

 

[walters]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

Dual Winding a Single coil pickup would have 4 wires wired in opposite directions? So there is 2 coils on a signal bobbin in opposite directions?

How do i Wind a humbucker pickup winding it "in series" on One bobbin?

How do i Wind a humbucker picup winding it "in parallel" on One bobbin?

 

[Gibsononly]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

I don't think you would get any sound if you wound in opposing directions on the same coil. There is no way to get opposite magnetic polarity for the individual coils, which is kind of important.

 

[walters]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

Jamer burton's pickup is wound is "Dual Wind" how is this done ?

How do i "dual Wind" a single bobbin pickup?

 

[Willis]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

Donzo do you wind humbuckers too or just single coils?

 

[Rev Donzo]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

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[Rev Donzo]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

Donzo do you wind humbuckers too or just single coils?

I wish it was just Singles -- but I also do Humbuckers -- Joe bardens -- Dearmonds --

there was one I could not do it was a 1940 supro lap steel -- two tiny construction paper bobbins with 3- straws where the screws passed thru.

I could have done it if i was to model two new bobbins-- but supplies are not easy to come buy -- HOME DEPOT ran off all the good hardware stores -- then Home Depot quit carrying so much stuff -- so ya cn't find things like ya used too.

 

[Rev Donzo]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

This message is hidden because walters is on your ignore list.


yep!

 

[WGTP]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

No, that is 17 different pich rates. In other words, on layer might have 100 wraps and the next might have 200, etc.

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

But the things I have said are commonly held opinions among many handwinders. I think the largest contributing factors are magnet,coil width and scatter. Double build insulation makes a wider coil. It may also be true that certain insulations are better than others in their ability to limit skin effect and mutual self-induction in the coil. This might be the factor that leads some to believe that certain insulations "sound" better.

Double-build would also have to have an effect on capacitance, less of it vs. single-build.

I didn't mention the insulation in my tone factors earlier because for me the jury is still out on that. This is because I have heard a wide range of opinions on this from other respectable home brew winders and because I don't have any firsthand experience with anything other than poly so far.

 

[Gibsononly]

Re: Pickup Makers Thread - 4 - those who wind or want to know how

Jamer burton's pickup is wound is "Dual Wind" how is this done ?

How do i "dual Wind" a single bobbin pickup?

The first thing that comes to mind is to wind one coil at the top of the bobbin and another at the bottom. Maybe with a spacer in between although technically it might not be one bobbin. It might succeed in being opposite polarity, though.