Pickup question from a moron.

[MartinSixStringCustoms]

Re: Pickup question from a moron.

So the distortion pickups can only be used for metal and any A2 mag pup can't be used for metal.

You paint too many pickups in a corner.

Thats what I was getting at. Anyone can go to the Tone Wizard and regugitate what the standard recommendations are, but I personally find it much more usefull when someone is actually using the pickup and can provide some first hand input.

 

[bungalowbill]

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Thats what I was getting at. Anyone can go to the Tone Wizard and regugitate what the standard recommendations are, but I personally find it much more usefull when someone is actually using the pickup and can provide some first hand input.

+1 ...Look how many styles of music and tones, have come from PAF'S and vintage Strat pups.

 

[Robert Delahunt]

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So the distortion pickups can only be used for metal and any A2 mag pup can't be used for metal.

You paint too many pickups in a corner.

So Seymour Duncan's website also paints too many pickups in a corner?

I wasn't trying to sound so black and white with what I said, so I'm sorry if I sounded that way. However, in my experience, SD is correct: for example, the Alnico II Pro Staggered pickups in my Lite Ash: not good for hard rock / heavy metal. I can play those styles with the Lite Ash but bottom line, they're not very well suited for those styles. Likewise with the JB: I don't mind how it sounds clean, but it's not well suited for Jazz and other clean styles.

Besides, we're talking to a newbie here, so I figured it best to say something in one sentance rather than a whole long drawn out discussion full of caveats.

My experience with the tone wizard and the website is that it's correct, and I should listen to it. Buying Alnico II Pro Staggered pickups would not be smart for me to do if I wanted the guitar to excel at metal. Likewise the Live Wire Metal is probably not the pickup I would want for surf / funk. I try not to regurgitate what's on their website, but ultimately their website is correct 99% of the time, so eventually we all end up repeating what they have written on the website. This is a tribute to Seymour, by the way

 

[MartinSixStringCustoms]

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So Seymour Duncan's website also paints too many pickups in a corner?

I wasn't trying to sound so black and white with what I said, so I'm sorry if I sounded that way. However, in my experience, SD is correct: for example, the Alnico II Pro Staggered pickups in my Lite Ash: not good for hard rock / heavy metal. I can play those styles with the Lite Ash but bottom line, they're not very well suited for those styles. Likewise with the JB: I don't mind how it sounds clean, but it's not well suited for Jazz and other clean styles.

Besides, we're talking to a newbie here, so I figured it best to say something in one sentance rather than a whole long drawn out discussion full of caveats.

:smack:

No. What we are saying is that the tone wizard is a BASELINE to work from. It is not the end all of answers. There is no way to cover all the bases and everyone hears things differently to a certain extent. Hell, the TW doesn't even take into account what type of amp your using, which IMO, makes a huge difference.

 

[vinterland]

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However, in my experience, SD is correct: for example, the Alnico II Pro Staggered pickups in my Lite Ash: not good for hard rock / heavy metal. I can play those styles with the Lite Ash but bottom line, they're not very well suited for those styles.

No your vintage singles probably aren't going to bode well for high gain... as most vintage singles probably won't. But as you pretty much said, no A2 pup is good for high gain applications. This, based on your vintage singles.

Let's be reasonable if you're going to throw out an opinion like that specifically based on vintage single coils then it's really better to not throw it out at all. If you need further proof check out the EVH 78' for high gain thread that was recently posted.

*edit* and since it is a newb, it's much better to make informed posts. This is how things like EMG batteries die within two hours and other rediculous gear rumors get started.

 

[joeydude]

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application High output humbucker built for aggressive playing styles. Recommended for old school metal, nu-metal, gothic, garage, punk, thrash and other heavy rock styles. Great for drop tunings.

Might as well be though

Come on, we're all giving opinions here

just cause its heavy and distorted dosnt necesarilly mean its metal.

 

[Psych]

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I've read lots of stuff on pickups and all, I just dont know most of the slang you guys use and other techniqual stuff. I know I lack experience too .. But the Hot Rodded set it is .. (wonders how much it is in Canadian money.)

 

[Robert Delahunt]

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No your vintage singles probably aren't going to bode well for high gain... as most vintage singles probably won't. But as you pretty much said, no A2 pup is good for high gain applications. This, based on your vintage singles.

Let's be reasonable if you're going to throw out an opinion like that specifically based on vintage single coils then it's really better to not throw it out at all. If you need further proof check out the EVH 78' for high gain thread that was recently posted.

*edit* and since it is a newb, it's much better to make informed posts. This is how things like EMG batteries die within two hours and other rediculous gear rumors get started.

Yes, but the seymour duncan website never lists any A2 magnet pickup as being good for metal, so we're back to square 1. The CC is the closest thing to that, and it "stops" at Hard Rock. Granted, I know it's possible to use pickups in harder / softer styles than are listed, but ultimately, it's not worth it, in my opinion. Too much time spent on trying to dial in metal on a CC when you could've went with a pickup well-suited for metal.

Besides, to my ears, using a pickup that's not listed as being good for metal, for metal, sounds horrible.

This is my opinion, but I'm not starting any "wild rumors" or "urban legends". The SD website itself agrees with me, so why are people giving me krap?

 

[vinterland]

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Yes, but the seymour duncan website never lists any A2 magnet pickup as being good for metal, so we're back to square 1. The CC is the closest thing to that, and it "stops" at Hard Rock. Granted, I know it's possible to use pickups in harder / softer styles than are listed, but ultimately, it's not worth it, in my opinion. Too much time spent on trying to dial in metal on a CC when you could've went with a pickup well-suited for metal.

Besides, to my ears, using a pickup that's not listed as being good for metal, for metal, sounds horrible.

This is my opinion, but I'm not starting any "wild rumors" or "urban legends". The SD website itself agrees with me, so why are people giving me krap?

If Seymour told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? Obviously so since you take the descriptions to heart. Let's take a look here both the Custom 5, Full Shred, and Screamin Demon don't have metal in their descriptions but they all excel at it and are widely used here on the forum. If you don't want to venture into different sonic territories thats cool, once again I'm saying don't throw these opinions around like its the be all to end all only because seymour says so and you havn't tried it.

If you havn't picked up on it, a lot of guys including me, like medium output buckers for metal. Flamethrower pups are always going to be associated with metal but that doesn't mean others can't be.

 

[Robert Delahunt]

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If Seymour told you to jump off a bridge would you do it?

For a second there, I thought I was back in kindergarten.

The dude says he plays metal, he probably will not want anything A2 in the bridge of his guitar. The SD descriptions aren't always 100% perfect in the sense that a CC could never work for metal. That wasn't my point. My point was that the safe bet for a newbie would be to pick something that describes his playing style.

Hopefully people will stop giving me krap now, so we can all stop beating our heads against the proverbial wall.

 

[Psych]

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Yooo calm down guys, no fighting please. Peace and love is he way to go. People have different opinions on pickups and their use, thats that. But anyway thanks for the help I'll try the Hot Rodded set then.

Oh! Would anyone with the set in their guitar be nice enough to put up a small sound clip or something of yourself playing a bit around that would give me a nice feel of the sound even more. Thanks alot guys!

 

[Robert Delahunt]

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Yooo calm down guys, no fighting please. Peace and love is he way to go. People have different opinions on pickups and their use, thats that. But anyway thanks for the help I'll try the Hot Rodded set then.

Oh! Would anyone with the set in their guitar be nice enough to put up a small sound clip or something of yourself playing a bit around that would give me a nice feel of the sound even more. Thanks alot guys!

In my signature are my soundclick site and my website. If you go to music section there should be a page about guitars and my amp, they should still have some mp3s of various things.

 

[ratherdashing]

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sigh ...

Psych, I have a Custom 5 in the bridge of my Warmoth LP, and in the right guitar I think it would be great for metal. Though I think I'd go with the Custom instead for what you want. Custom/59 set sounds just about right for you: very toneful, expressive pickups, but with enough power and presence to throw down the metal. If you find your G-400 to be too bright, they will be fine.

As for being in Montreal and so forth, I recommend visiting Bada Bing's website (www.martin6stringcustom.com) to order your pickups. His prices are good and he ships free to Canada.

 

[MartinSixStringCustoms]

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sigh ...

Psych, I have a Custom 5 in the bridge of my Warmoth LP, and in the right guitar I think it would be great for metal. Though I think I'd go with the Custom instead for what you want. Custom/59 set sounds just about right for you: very toneful, expressive pickups, but with enough power and presence to throw down the metal. If you find your G-400 to be too bright, they will be fine.

As for being in Montreal and so forth, I recommend visiting Bada Bing's website (www.martin6stringcustom.com) to order your pickups. His prices are good and he ships free to Canada.

Thanks for the plug bro! Also, I do give a forum member discount, which is not reflected in the prices in my eBay store.

 

[Psych]

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:laugh2:

Oh man I'm being screwed all over. Thanks for trying to help though!

And as for that free shipping to Canada .. that sounds yummy. I'll check out the site and pm you and stuff concerning this Bada Bing if you dont mind. Oh and after much listening to my guitar, it sounds a bit less bright then I thought. It's like .. "thuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmp". Lol.

Oh also, just curious. You cant put covers on an Invader can you?

 

[MartinSixStringCustoms]

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:laugh2:

Oh man I'm being screwed all over. Thanks for trying to help though!

And as for that free shipping to Canada .. that sounds yummy. I'll check out the site and pm you and stuff concerning this Bada Bing if you dont mind. Oh and after much listening to my guitar, it sounds a bit less bright then I though. It's like .. "thuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmp". Lol.

Oh also, just curious. You cant put covers on an Invader can you?

No problem bro.

 

[Psych]

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Is there any difference if the pickups are covered or not? Cause i'm thinking i'll just buy the uncovered Hot Rodded set.

 

[Robert Delahunt]

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Is there any difference if the pickups are covered or not? Cause i'm thinking i'll just buy the uncovered Hot Rodded set.

I have no experience covered versus uncovered, but I think there was a thread or two somewhere about what they do. Basically, some people think that certain metals cause the highs to be more "smooth", etc, so read the thread and see what you think. Me, honestly, I'd only do the covers if it was for looks, since you can raise the pole pieces to bring the highs back up, if covers smooth out the highs.

 

[Jeff_H]

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Is there any difference if the pickups are covered or not? Cause i'm thinking i'll just buy the uncovered Hot Rodded set.

There may be some high end frequencies that get lost in the mix with a covered pickup, but Seymour Duncan (and all of the reputable pickup makers that I am aware of) use a nickel silver compound specifically designed to have a minimal impact on the tone.

I believe the biggest tone difference is caused because you can't physically get the coils of a covered pickup as close to the strings as you can those that are uncovered. This typically results in the pickups having less bite and treble response. It can be more than compensated for by adjusting the individual pole pieces however.

That's my opinion for what it's worth. Wax potting makes a bigger difference in tone than does covered vs non covered...again, IMO.