Pickup suggestions for a 77 gibson lp

IntoEntropy

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hi. first post:

currently acquired a 1977 gibson lp with an SD jazz in the neck and a C5 in the bridge. this is what it sounds like at the moment:

(neck, middle, bridge. clean and with drive)


this is after i tweaked the pickup height and polepieces to my liking.

i want to know what pickups could help me achieve the following:

1.i want to find a pickup that is basically an enhanced version of the bridge c5. but something that sounds more complex and open under gain. i dont mind having less output. im worried that the ants would squeal from high gain. i dont want anything high output as i prefer vintage output pickups and compensate with amp gain. i dont want anything too compressed. i want to WORK for my tone/grit and respond to how i play. i dont play blues that often but i want to "connect" with the instrument as much as possible. i play stuff from quiet ambient stuff, to tappy math rock, 90s style post hardcore, and the occasional ac/dc jam. however, like i said, i want a vintage sounding set.

my number 1 determinant of good tone is letting loose an A powerchord (ala townshend :P)

2. i want the two pickups to be compatible so the middle position clean is usable.

3. the neck pickup should have nice spank on the low strings. the best 50s lps ive heard so far have that spank on single notes. i tried to achieve it by playing with my pickup height and polepieces. i got close, but i still find it a caricature of my ideal tone.


choices i like so far that ive heard:

59: i like that its slightly scooped and hi-fi. i can work with that. and the fact that its wax potted means i could rock out with my high gain setup. i am worried however about the tonal complexity as some people have mentioned it feels a bit "vanilla"

ants: lots of raves about this. my only worry is that its unpotted. i dont understand what people mean by aii mags feeling mushy on the low end as ive tried a guitar with aii pickups and it felt alright.

59/custom hybrid: ive read and heard that this sounds like a less compressed version of the c5. more dynamic but still retaining the frequency response under gain. also sounds like the last thin blanket over the c5 has been removed. (at least in a comparative clip ive heard). i dont want to stray too far from PAF output

thanks in advance
 
Re: Pickup suggestions for a 77 gibson lp

ill look into it. also awesome yehudi menuhin quote. was into his work when i played violin as a kid (before i picked up the guitar lol)
 
Re: Pickup suggestions for a 77 gibson lp

WLH's are a great choice.

'59N's are often boomy in the neck slot of LP's. Ant's have aged A2's, which means they have less high end and output than fully-charged A2's, which don't have much of either to begin with. A2's do have a loose end. It's more obvious in some PU's and guitars than others.
 
Re: Pickup suggestions for a 77 gibson lp

You know, I'd probably recommend what was originally in the guitar....T-tops.
 
Re: Pickup suggestions for a 77 gibson lp

You know, I'd probably recommend what was originally in the guitar....T-tops.

As an owner of two 70's LP's…


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Re: Pickup suggestions for a 77 gibson lp

my guitar is actually a modified deluxe. routed to accomodate humbuckers. no turning back now. its buckers all the way.
 
Re: Pickup suggestions for a 77 gibson lp

I have a 76 that was "standardized" at some point before I got it 20 years ago. I recently changed the pots to 500k all the way around and it made a huge difference in the tone. It's now much, much brighter than it was before. Doing that may help with the missing sparkle from your neck pickup.

All that aside, a couple of your comments made me think about a screamin demon. It's much more complex than a C5, but still has a little scoop to the overall tonal balance. It is lower output, but you said that you don't mind that.
 
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As an owner of two 70's LP's…


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, but you use gobs of drive and high output pickups, enough to crush the natural tone of any instrument. I really wish my 74 Custom had still had them installed when I got it - I've gone with a 490R with a short A5 to try and get that tone without spending close to $700 on originals
However for my SG, I've just bought a 72 neck T-top and had a bridge one wound to match.......awesome tone if you love to hear the instrument itself, and THE tone of vintage AC/DC from Angus.

Amps these days have so much gain that the low output pickups become ways of taming the saturation, and much better than the fire breathing monsters for clarity.
 
Re: Pickup suggestions for a 77 gibson lp

I have a 76 that was "standardized" at some point before I got it 20 years ago. I recently changed the pots to 500k all the way around and it made a huge difference in the tone. It's now much, much brighter than it was before. Doing that may help with the missing sparkle from your neck pickup.

All that aside, a couple of your comments made me think about a screamin demon. It's much more complex than a C5, but still has a little scoop to the overall tonal balance. It is lower output, but you said that you don't mind that.

I was just going to say that I might made sure I have 500k pots in there and reevaluate. My '84 LPC came with 4x 75k pots which sucked any nuance and sparkle out of any pickups. My guess is that the OP's does not as he doesn't use the terms muddy or dead. But new pots gave the guitar the ability to let the complexity already there come through to the amp.
 
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Keeping in mind that I am a classic rock, blues, country and jazz guy, into Mesa amps.....

What Gibson 1964 said... +1.

Wondering what your amp and effects are in the recording....

I was going to suggest the WLH set, but I would also have you look into the Gibson Burstbucker 1 and 2 set. I have these in my Historic Les Pauls. The 2 in the bridge often reminds me of a vintage Tele bridge pickup on steroids. It WILL twang, and "Won't Get Fooled Again" is one of my favorite songs to play live. These pickups definitely have an edge to them. The neck pickup is fairly open, more so than the Classic '57s I have in some of my other Les Pauls, but still sings with woman tone when the tone control is rolled down. The Classic '57s are mellow, muddy, smooth--not at all what you are looking for.

Ants are also very smooth: complex mids and a liquid, sweet top-end. They are not potted as you know; typically when I do get feedback with these, it is controllable and musical. Ditto for the Seths. These are great choices for the all-around styles I play; for you, probably not so much. I'd have a hard time with a gun to my head to choose any one of the four as a "favorite"--I like them all.

I also have a set of Pearlys in a Les Paul, haven't really decided anything about them yet, but again...not sure I could recommend them for the styles you listed.

Sometimes, the solution for vintage tone + high gain is: two guitars with different pickups. Unfortunately, at times these goals can be almost mutually exclusive.

Good luck.

Bill
 
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Re: Pickup suggestions for a 77 gibson lp

I'd try putting a UOA5 in the Custom (I know, I sound like a broken record) and maybe an A4 in the Jazz. But really, I listened to the clip and wondered why you would change anything.
 
Re: Pickup suggestions for a 77 gibson lp

I'd try putting a UOA5 in the Custom and maybe an A4 in the Jazz.

+1. That's a very good pair, and I'd want to give it a shot before spending the money on new PU's. An UOA5 reduces the output on a Custom and gives it a lot of vintage texture. Very different sounding than a C5.
 
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thanks for the suggestions. unfortunately, i have no idea where to source magnets in my country (philippines). as for the clips, its just the les paul going into a jcm800 and a 1960a cab, royer 121 microphone. it was reamped for me by a friend.

for those who didnt listen to the clip, i suggest you do so you get what im looking for.
 
Re: Pickup suggestions for a 77 gibson lp

Have an '82 myself, maple neck & solid mahogany body. WLH set should work great for what you're describing. They're thicker and more balanced sounding than '59. I'm hearing some of that APH flavour, especially when playing leads in the neck position. Cleanup sounds are very good. The way it can push an amp is quite unique to my ears.

Currently test driving a Dimarzio 36th ann. set (just had to try them). Brighter and less bassy in the neck than both the WLH and '59. Lots of upper harmonics, bright, very spanky and a bit more compressed/modern sounding than the other 2. Most of the time I'm playing these with the guitar volume turned down slightly.
 
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I have the A2 Pro Slash set in an 81 Custom (maple neck, ebony board) and it sounds amazing. I also have a newer lp with a demon/jazz combo, the demon is killer, but I'm not a huge fan of the jazz it seems bland an a little muddy to me. Probably going to change it to an a2pro.
 
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ive done some reading and ive come to the conclusion that changing the pots, caps and wiring may get me that added sparkle, clarity and pick attack ive been looking for. the guitar currently has 300k pots on volume and tone so that explains the early treble roll off. changing the volume pots to 500 will open up the pickups to produce more output ive read. can anyone confirm this?
 
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