pickup suggestions for epiphone dot!
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papersoul
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Re: pickup suggestions for epiphone dot!
How fat sounding are the PGs? Considering I have stock pickups in my 2010 Dot, what do you think the big differences I should hear in the PGs? I guess I will use a 300K volume in the bridge. I will probably use Dimarzio pots since my local shop stocks those and I may have these guys do the install for me.
I will say at rehearsal today I was locing the feedback I get from the Dot....love that semi hollow body feedback. Lots of fun. Hopefully the PGs will not cause any lose in that.
How fat sounding are the PGs? Considering I have stock pickups in my 2010 Dot, what do you think the big differences I should hear in the PGs? I guess I will use a 300K volume in the bridge. I will probably use Dimarzio pots since my local shop stocks those and I may have these guys do the install for me.
I will say at rehearsal today I was locing the feedback I get from the Dot....love that semi hollow body feedback. Lots of fun. Hopefully the PGs will not cause any lose in that.
PRSfan nym 1985
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I think the neatest ways to go would be one of four possiblities
Dimarzio:
1. Air Classic Neck and PAF 36th Bridge
2. 36th PAF set
Seymour Duncan:
1. Alnico II Pro Neck and Pearly Gates Bridge
2. Pearly Gates set
Or if you are into P90 tones a set of P-Rails or Phat Cats might also be fun and would be vintage voiced and if they didn't give exactly what you wanted you could swap the magnets for A2, A3, or A4.
Also because there is no control cavity and everything has to go through the F-holes I'd definitely say swap out all the electronics and stuff now so you don't have to worry about the cheap pots and stuff going bad anytime soon and pots are cheap but the difference between the cheapo chinese stock ones and something like a CTS is night and day imho.
I think the neatest ways to go would be one of four possiblities
Dimarzio:
1. Air Classic Neck and PAF 36th Bridge
2. 36th PAF set
Seymour Duncan:
1. Alnico II Pro Neck and Pearly Gates Bridge
2. Pearly Gates set
Or if you are into P90 tones a set of P-Rails or Phat Cats might also be fun and would be vintage voiced and if they didn't give exactly what you wanted you could swap the magnets for A2, A3, or A4.
Also because there is no control cavity and everything has to go through the F-holes I'd definitely say swap out all the electronics and stuff now so you don't have to worry about the cheap pots and stuff going bad anytime soon and pots are cheap but the difference between the cheapo chinese stock ones and something like a CTS is night and day imho.
blueman335
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The DMz's have A5's, so they'd have a sharper, brighter high end. PG's and A2P's have A2's, so the top is rounded, with the A2P being the warmer of the two.
The DMz's have A5's, so they'd have a sharper, brighter high end. PG's and A2P's have A2's, so the top is rounded, with the A2P being the warmer of the two.
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Lewguitar
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I don't think you should take any more advice on this - it's time to find out for yourself what you like.
I guess this is advice but,IMO, it's time for you to find out whether you like PG's or not, whether you like nickel covered PG's or uncovered PG's, and whether by using 300K pots you like throwing away highs forever and which you cannot ever recover by turning up the treble on your amp OR: whether you like keeping those highs by using 500K pots, which allows you to shape the tone, if need be, by turning down your guitar's tone control during the course of playing a song or solo. Once you throw away those highs they return to the planet Earth (AKA: "ground") never to be heard again - you can't recover them by turning up the treble on your amp because they won't exist anymore.
It's time for you to KNOW for yourself what this stuff sounds like - no one can tell you. You're just going round and round in circles from what I can see here.
Get this project out of the realm of thought and into the real world.
I don't think you should take any more advice on this - it's time to find out for yourself what you like.
I guess this is advice but,IMO, it's time for you to find out whether you like PG's or not, whether you like nickel covered PG's or uncovered PG's, and whether by using 300K pots you like throwing away highs forever and which you cannot ever recover by turning up the treble on your amp OR: whether you like keeping those highs by using 500K pots, which allows you to shape the tone, if need be, by turning down your guitar's tone control during the course of playing a song or solo. Once you throw away those highs they return to the planet Earth (AKA: "ground") never to be heard again - you can't recover them by turning up the treble on your amp because they won't exist anymore.
It's time for you to KNOW for yourself what this stuff sounds like - no one can tell you. You're just going round and round in circles from what I can see here.
Get this project out of the realm of thought and into the real world.
PRSfan nym 1985
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I agree with that logic get your feet wet if you fail DiMarzio and Duncan will let you swap pickups for a more suitable model.
Honestly I'm looking at getting a semi hollow and I've pretty much got my heart set on A2P neck and PG bridge.
I'm probably gonna do 500k pots to start as lewguitar states you can always roll back the treble on your guitar or amp if you use 300k you lose the stuff forever. I prefer having the options to roll back but still have the highs in case the situation calls for it.
I'd say start with this combo at least it will give you a frame of reference and it'll give you two distinct tones that work well together. If you hate it like I said exchange it for something that works better for you.
Basically I think you have all the info you need you just need to grab something throw it on a plate and start digesting it and formulating your own opinions.
I agree with that logic get your feet wet if you fail DiMarzio and Duncan will let you swap pickups for a more suitable model.
Honestly I'm looking at getting a semi hollow and I've pretty much got my heart set on A2P neck and PG bridge.
I'm probably gonna do 500k pots to start as lewguitar states you can always roll back the treble on your guitar or amp if you use 300k you lose the stuff forever. I prefer having the options to roll back but still have the highs in case the situation calls for it.
I'd say start with this combo at least it will give you a frame of reference and it'll give you two distinct tones that work well together. If you hate it like I said exchange it for something that works better for you.
Basically I think you have all the info you need you just need to grab something throw it on a plate and start digesting it and formulating your own opinions.
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polifemo
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A DiMarzio 36:th PAF/neck might be a bit bass heavy in this guitar.
The bridge one will be fine though.
A DiMarzio 36:th PAF/neck might be a bit bass heavy in this guitar.
The bridge one will be fine though.
papersoul
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Re: pickup suggestions for epiphone dot!
Lew I am going to try the PGs!
I personally find most Gibsons work great with a 300K volume pot in the bridge. I think it helps give Gibsons a creamier tone, warmer and rounder. I think Gibsons tend to sound thinner and brighter with a 500K vol bridge. My stock 2004 has a 300K and sounds killer, my 1989 SG has a 300K, killer....my buddies 1988 Les Paul also stock 300K bridge and killer.:biglaugh:
I can't get the same effect rolling back a 500K tone pot when the volume pot is also 500K. I know Dimarxion recoemmends a 250K bridge volume with their hums and when I bought my 9.8K Guitar Force Rebel Fire...the guy who made the pickup recommended 300K volume bridge as well. YMMV.:biglaugh:
Lew I am going to try the PGs!
I personally find most Gibsons work great with a 300K volume pot in the bridge. I think it helps give Gibsons a creamier tone, warmer and rounder. I think Gibsons tend to sound thinner and brighter with a 500K vol bridge. My stock 2004 has a 300K and sounds killer, my 1989 SG has a 300K, killer....my buddies 1988 Les Paul also stock 300K bridge and killer.:biglaugh:
I can't get the same effect rolling back a 500K tone pot when the volume pot is also 500K. I know Dimarxion recoemmends a 250K bridge volume with their hums and when I bought my 9.8K Guitar Force Rebel Fire...the guy who made the pickup recommended 300K volume bridge as well. YMMV.:biglaugh:
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Lewguitar
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Then that's what you should do. If your own experience tells you that you prefer 300K pots for the bridge pickup than that's what you should use.
It's not right for me though. And what sounds good to me at home often doesn't work onstage.
I just got home from a Blues Jam at Ziggies - a pretty nice club in Denver. Had a ball, and played a set with the band Bruce plays with: the Road House Joe Blues Band. After a couple of songs everyone (well, me and the other guitar player anyway!) started getting excited and playing pretty loud.
I brought my ES-335 that Jol Danzig reworked and it crossed my mind that I was sure glad I had 500K pots through-out in that guitar because I had to turn my Deluxe Reverb (with Celestion G12H-30) up to "8" and roll the bass down to "2" or "3" to cut through.
In this instance, a creamy tone at home would have turned to a muddy blur onstage and I would have disappeared. At no time was my guitar to bright.
I did decide that when I play with these guys again I'll probably bring my Tele instead!
Then that's what you should do. If your own experience tells you that you prefer 300K pots for the bridge pickup than that's what you should use.
It's not right for me though. And what sounds good to me at home often doesn't work onstage.
I just got home from a Blues Jam at Ziggies - a pretty nice club in Denver. Had a ball, and played a set with the band Bruce plays with: the Road House Joe Blues Band. After a couple of songs everyone (well, me and the other guitar player anyway!) started getting excited and playing pretty loud.
I brought my ES-335 that Jol Danzig reworked and it crossed my mind that I was sure glad I had 500K pots through-out in that guitar because I had to turn my Deluxe Reverb (with Celestion G12H-30) up to "8" and roll the bass down to "2" or "3" to cut through.
In this instance, a creamy tone at home would have turned to a muddy blur onstage and I would have disappeared. At no time was my guitar to bright.
I did decide that when I play with these guys again I'll probably bring my Tele instead!
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I just bought a "Deluxe" dot with the flame top. Beautiful piece! This one has a serial number that starts with 1006xxxx and not EE. Does anyone know if these have maple or mahogany necks? I think 1006 stands for 2010 June. I'm going to go with PGn and 59b PUPS along with Mojo 335 wiring and Gotoh bridge and tailpiece and finally Grover 18:1 Rotomatics...all in nickel. Sound like a plan?
I just bought a "Deluxe" dot with the flame top. Beautiful piece! This one has a serial number that starts with 1006xxxx and not EE. Does anyone know if these have maple or mahogany necks? I think 1006 stands for 2010 June. I'm going to go with PGn and 59b PUPS along with Mojo 335 wiring and Gotoh bridge and tailpiece and finally Grover 18:1 Rotomatics...all in nickel. Sound like a plan?
papersoul
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Re: pickup suggestions for epiphone dot!
I thikn a Pearly in the bridge would be warmer.
What is Mojo 335 wiring?
I would leave the bridge and tail alone for now. The Grovers that are stock on my Epi Dot are just fine, keep tune fine. Why change?
I thikn a Pearly in the bridge would be warmer.
What is Mojo 335 wiring?
I would leave the bridge and tail alone for now. The Grovers that are stock on my Epi Dot are just fine, keep tune fine. Why change?
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Mojotone.com...500K CTS pots and complete 335 wiring kit. I wanted the flame top "Deluxe" but not the gold hardware so since I am making the change to nickel I might as well replace everything. PGb is warmer because of the Alnico II magnets?
Mojotone.com...500K CTS pots and complete 335 wiring kit. I wanted the flame top "Deluxe" but not the gold hardware so since I am making the change to nickel I might as well replace everything. PGb is warmer because of the Alnico II magnets?
Andrew Lamprecht
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Re: pickup suggestions for epiphone dot!
I haven't read any of this thread as it's too long. I suggest 59s.
I haven't read any of this thread as it's too long. I suggest 59s.
papersoul
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Yes, the PG should be warmer and less spikey, less scooped.
The Mojotone kits are $50? Lot of money for some caps and pots! I get the same CTS pots for $5.
I don't see the 335 kit.
Yes, the PG should be warmer and less spikey, less scooped.
The Mojotone kits are $50? Lot of money for some caps and pots! I get the same CTS pots for $5.
I don't see the 335 kit.
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papersoul
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Re: pickup suggestions for epiphone dot!
Think you are right Lew. Last time I was in a band. I recall this experience!
We were at practice and I had Burstbucker Pros in my LP Standard with 500Ks all around! I recall having to have my volume all the way up to cut through the best! There you go. I stand corrected!:cool2:
But I think it depends on the situation. A friend of mine gigs his SG and LP all the time with 300Ks and cuts all the time. Still, nice to have it if you need it.
Think you are right Lew. Last time I was in a band. I recall this experience!
We were at practice and I had Burstbucker Pros in my LP Standard with 500Ks all around! I recall having to have my volume all the way up to cut through the best! There you go. I stand corrected!:cool2:
But I think it depends on the situation. A friend of mine gigs his SG and LP all the time with 300Ks and cuts all the time. Still, nice to have it if you need it.
blueman335
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It depends on where the rest of the instruments are at EQ-wise. They can be heavy on the top-end, or all bassy and midrange. In my experience, I've been able to cut thru a band mix much better with a heavy dose of mids, and that also helps sustain and emphasize string bending. I've (unintentionally) dominated and drown out guys with Fenders who were heavy on treble, even when we were at the same volume level.
If everyone else was sounding middy on a given night, I'd just add a notch or two of treble at my amp. Even with 250K's on my bridge PU's, there's always more treble available at the amp. I've never run out of treble. It's certainly not an endangered species.
It depends on where the rest of the instruments are at EQ-wise. They can be heavy on the top-end, or all bassy and midrange. In my experience, I've been able to cut thru a band mix much better with a heavy dose of mids, and that also helps sustain and emphasize string bending. I've (unintentionally) dominated and drown out guys with Fenders who were heavy on treble, even when we were at the same volume level.
If everyone else was sounding middy on a given night, I'd just add a notch or two of treble at my amp. Even with 250K's on my bridge PU's, there's always more treble available at the amp. I've never run out of treble. It's certainly not an endangered species.
papersoul
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Re: pickup suggestions for epiphone dot!
What about Lew's thought's on allowing the highs to breath better and allowing cut that can't be made up for at the amp?
I might just keep the 300K in my LP bridge for now and the 300K in my SG bridge.
I read some 500K volume pot reviews on the Les Paul forum and some guys say they find 500Ks give a Les Paul too much of a Strat type attack and the 300K sounds more LPish. Interesting spin on it.
Another guy noticed something I also noticed. You get more control over the volume knob when you have a 500K in the bridge. Meaning you can clean up the distortion at about 7 or 8....where as with a 300K volume pot, you have to roll it much lower!
Here is the thread:notice the single coil comparisons to 500Ks and the better control comment pertaining to 500Ks.
http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/tonefreaks/85289-300k-pots-compared-500k.html
What about Lew's thought's on allowing the highs to breath better and allowing cut that can't be made up for at the amp?
I might just keep the 300K in my LP bridge for now and the 300K in my SG bridge.
I read some 500K volume pot reviews on the Les Paul forum and some guys say they find 500Ks give a Les Paul too much of a Strat type attack and the 300K sounds more LPish. Interesting spin on it.
Another guy noticed something I also noticed. You get more control over the volume knob when you have a 500K in the bridge. Meaning you can clean up the distortion at about 7 or 8....where as with a 300K volume pot, you have to roll it much lower!
Here is the thread:notice the single coil comparisons to 500Ks and the better control comment pertaining to 500Ks.
http://www.mylespaul.com/forums/tonefreaks/85289-300k-pots-compared-500k.html
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