Pickup winding machines?

[walters]

What machines or equipment winds pickups or how do i wind a pickup by hand im not sure how to do this kinda of processes

Most use an old sewing machine?

How to get the bobbin rotating?

cycle computers?
Stewmac winding machines?

Who makes pickup winding machines ?

What is the process of winding pickups by hands how do u do it please?

 

[walters]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

http://designed2wind.alphalink.com.au/outline.html

What machines did fender use in the 50's when hand winding the pickups please?

How do u learn how to hand wind pickups? is there a site or book whats the best way to learn this stuff please?

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

The only machines I know of are:

1) The Schatten machine sold by Stew Mac, the only purpose-built pickup winding machine I know of;

2) The old converted sewing machine route a lot of one-man outfits use;

3) In my case, my variable speed drill.

I have no idea what machines Fender used.

 

[walters]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

Is there a bobbin Mount?

I heard u have to hook up a "counter" up to the machine to know how many turns to stop at like 6500 turns or 8500 turns so the counter hooks up to the machine

When doing scattering winding do u just move the bobbin up and down and angle it ? so the wires layer at angles?

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

I haven't seen the Schatten but supposedly it comes with everything you need, including a built-in counter.

Right now since I don't have a real machine, I just occasionally stop, scrape some of the insulation off the wire and read the DC resistance with the multimeter.

You don't change the movement of the bobbin to change the wind pattern because the bobbin doesn't move at all -- other than spinning of course. You guide the wire onto the bobbin with one hand and move it back and forth on the bobbin to fill it from top to bottom.

A precise definition of scatter winding varies some depending on who you're talking to. Some call it any winding that is not 100% automated, which means "hand-winding", even though a machine is involved in spinning the bobbin, because it is by nature a bit random since your hand is doing the guiding.

But some scatter-winding is more scattered than others. In the context of what I do (keeping in mind I have to be considered a novice having been at this only for about 10 days), I call scatter-winding when I move my hand backand forth quickly at lower speeds for a couple of seconds to guarantee some steep angles in there (a slight ball of yarn effect) once in a while during the winding process, just enough to break up the pattern but not too much or the coil might bulge too much in the middle for you to get the cover on it when you're done.

Technically, the wire always layers at least at very slight angles unless you never move the wire back and forth, which would obviously be a bit impractical.

 

[walters]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

Thanks for the help

Which machines u use? and how u use it please?

You guide the wire onto the bobbin with one hand and move it back and forth on the bobbin to fill it from top to bottom.



""A precise definition of scatter winding varies some depending on who you're talking to. Some call it any winding that is not 100% automated, which means "hand-winding", even though a machine is involved in spinning the bobbin, because it is by nature a bit random since your hand is doing the guiding.""


Yes how do u do the scatter winding by hand not automatic at all
like the way fender use to do it how did they do this process please?


"" I call scatter-winding when I move my hand backand forth quickly at lower speeds for a couple of seconds to guarantee some steep angles in there (a slight ball of yarn effect) once in a while during the winding process, just enough to break up the pattern but not too much or the coil might bulge too much in the middle for you to get the cover on it when you're done."'

So your layering the wire with angles like a rubberband ball?

So the hands feeding the wire creates the Layers and Angles?

""Technically, the wire always layers at least at very slight angles unless you never move the wire back and forth, which would obviously be a bit impractical.""

So u move the wire up and down or at angles please?

 

[Guest]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

I'll give you the benefit of doubt. Don't mess it up. I'm not going to spill it all so you'll have to do some work.

Search (google) for "how to wind a pickup the hard way" or "how to build a guitar the hard way" and search the site you get. Should be somthing by a John Fisher... or something.

Play your cards right and folks will help you out. Joke around and...

 

[Artie]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

Btw, Walters. This is one of my favorite forums for pickup-making info. Lots of good people there. (Same as here.)

Ampage - Pickup Makers Forum

 

[walters]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

I'm not joking i need some help im new to this stuff and i don't know anyone that does or owns a pickup winding machine so can u guys help me out with some insight and guideance on this stuff

 

[Guest]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

The info I gave you should be enough for the person who just wants to get their feet wet. If you can't find the info I suggest you leave it alone, pup making is not for you. I haven't got around to it due to a lot of reasons ($, time, lazyness).

Ampage is cool, forgot about that.

 

[gripweed]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

Rev Donzo is the man here. Most of us here don't have the technical knowledge to answer your questions.

Find a book if you can by Jason Lollar on ebay. It might cost you a bit, but it is supposed to be *very* good.

This is a very good site

http://www.ampge.com/forum/

Its future is a little unclear from what I understand though...

 

[walters]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

Jason Lollar yea they discontinued the book but its really good i heard
where is Rev ?

Fender used a machines and the person would feed the wire and move the wire up and down or at angles about the bobbin?

 

[Zhangliqun]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

Thanks for the help

Which machines u use? and how u use it please?

Please re-read the posts, you don't seem to be reading thoroughly enough. In my case, as I said, I just use a plain old variable speed drill set on its side. In my case, I'm only doing single coils so far and they have a hole that goes all the way through both pieces of flatwork of the bobbin that you can put a bolt or screw through to mount it. I put the screw all the way through top to bottom and then just put the part of the screw protruding from the bottom in the chuck of my drill and tighten it down.

Yes how do u do the scatter winding by hand not automatic at all like the way fender use to do it how did they do this process please?

Once again, I don't know what Fender (or Duncan or anyone else) did or does.

So your layering the wire with angles like a rubberband ball?

Only for a tiny percentage of the wind, maybe 20 or 30 seconds total out of about 15 minutes winding I move my hand back and forth quickly and at a lower speed on my drill. The rest of the time I'm just very slowly moving it back and forth.

You don't need much, just enough to break up the pattern to change the capacitance pattern so it won't sound bright and cold.

So the hands feeding the wire creates the Layers and Angles?

Yes.

So u move the wire up and down or at angles please?

You can only move it back and forth relative to the top and bottom of the bobbin. (Up and down won't make any difference.) The difference in the pattern is only from how fast or slow you move it back and forth.

 

[walters]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

Thanks alot for your information

So how do i create different scatter patterns by moving my hand up and down slow or fast?

Can i measure the capacitance of a pickup from a capacitance meter?

Because the Scatter patterns can produce different capacitance values
because it changes the coil shape i think

So the bobbin stays Fixed not moveable and the hand feeding the wire is what breaks the pattern by moving the hand up and down to create angles and layers

I'm curious to know what fender used a the winding machines

How did u learn how to wind pickups?

 

[walters]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

The tension and percentages of the winding what does the tension and percentages of the winding mean please?

how do i get different tensions?
how do i get different percentages?

 

[Rev Donzo]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

The Schatten machine sold by Stew Mac

These

 

[walters]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

Is that what u use Rev?

What machines did Fender use?

How do i do hand winding or scatter winding with one of these machines please?

If i buy this machines how do i learn how to wind pickups? i have never seen someone do it so im new to this stuff

 

[Rev Donzo]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

 

[walters]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

Rev is this what u use please Schatten machine sold by Stew Mac?

How do u use it please?

 

[Rev Donzo]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

Hand wind = no motors right?