Pickup winding machines?
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Re: Pickup winding machines?
I can just see trying to order the Shattner winding machine. Having to figure out the matter/ anti-matter engine, when to use the shields, etc. Where the photon torpedos go.:laugh2:
I can just see trying to order the Shattner winding machine. Having to figure out the matter/ anti-matter engine, when to use the shields, etc. Where the photon torpedos go.:laugh2:
Re: Pickup winding machines?
I have heard that the DC resistance can be the same for a fender pickup but the capcitance can be way different from the scatter windings
Because like 8 eight 59 strats can have the same DC resistance but the capacitance can be way different so they makes a huge different as far as the winding goes
I have heard that the DC resistance can be the same for a fender pickup but the capcitance can be way different from the scatter windings
Because like 8 eight 59 strats can have the same DC resistance but the capacitance can be way different so they makes a huge different as far as the winding goes
GuitarJonz
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The fun thing is this may be one of the best pup winding threads ever. Thanks Rev and Zhangliqun.
The fun thing is this may be one of the best pup winding threads ever. Thanks Rev and Zhangliqun.
Zhangliqun
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Re: Pickup winding machines?
You can't.
You don't know. All you really have to go on is what the pickup sounds like when you pop it into the guitar.
walters said:
You can't.
walters said:
You don't know. All you really have to go on is what the pickup sounds like when you pop it into the guitar.
Zhangliqun
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Re: Pickup winding machines?
I think I can speak for the rev when I say (a la Bob Uecker):
"These fans, we LUV 'em!"
LSP said:
I think I can speak for the rev when I say (a la Bob Uecker):
"These fans, we LUV 'em!"
Re: Pickup winding machines?
So u can't use a capacitance meter and hook it up to the Hot lead and ground lead of the pickup to measure the capacitance?
How about measuring the inductance of the pickup with a inductance meter on the hot lead and ground lead of the pickup?
Why does only the DC resistance gets measured?
So u can't use a capacitance meter and hook it up to the Hot lead and ground lead of the pickup to measure the capacitance?
How about measuring the inductance of the pickup with a inductance meter on the hot lead and ground lead of the pickup?
Why does only the DC resistance gets measured?
Zhangliqun
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Re: Pickup winding machines?
No.
Probably but I don't know what instrument you would use.
Because for home-brew guys like the rev and (sort of) me, that's the only thing we can measure. We don't have fancy labs with all this extra equipment. But we do have something that engineers with these fancy labs don't have, which is an ear to know a good pickup when we hear it, and at the end of the day, that's all we need.
walters said:
No.
walters said:
Probably but I don't know what instrument you would use.
walters said:
Because for home-brew guys like the rev and (sort of) me, that's the only thing we can measure. We don't have fancy labs with all this extra equipment. But we do have something that engineers with these fancy labs don't have, which is an ear to know a good pickup when we hear it, and at the end of the day, that's all we need.
Re: Pickup winding machines?
Thanks Zhangliqun
When winding how do u not create "shorts" ?
adjust the Tension of the machine?
Whats the difference between layered wound VS random-wound coils?
How do u magnetize a pickup?
( Alnico magnets are shipped by the manufacturer in a non-magnetized condition )
A Alnice magnet is a permanent magnet. The "aging" it is called "stabilizing"
its the "decay" of the magnetism? Aging a pickup has less stabilizing and decays the magnetism in the permanent magnet
Thanks Zhangliqun
When winding how do u not create "shorts" ?
adjust the Tension of the machine?
Whats the difference between layered wound VS random-wound coils?
How do u magnetize a pickup?
( Alnico magnets are shipped by the manufacturer in a non-magnetized condition )
A Alnice magnet is a permanent magnet. The "aging" it is called "stabilizing"
its the "decay" of the magnetism? Aging a pickup has less stabilizing and decays the magnetism in the permanent magnet
Re: Pickup winding machines?
the higher the inductance, the lesser the highs. For example, a traditional strat pickup has an inductance around 2.3 henry while a Gibson PAF has an inductance around 4.4 henry and some of the so-called "distortion" pickups have an inductance above 8.0 henry.
the higher the inductance, the lesser the highs. For example, a traditional strat pickup has an inductance around 2.3 henry while a Gibson PAF has an inductance around 4.4 henry and some of the so-called "distortion" pickups have an inductance above 8.0 henry.
Zhangliqun
Questionologist
Re: Pickup winding machines?
The wire has a thin layer of insulation on it so you don't get shorts. In my experience, the wire will break from tension long before it loses insulation and shorts out.
Layered wound has no randomness to the pattern. Just a slow, consistent, symmetrical back and forth movement that never varies. Impossible to do by hand, only done on fully automated pickup winders that only big-time manufacturers like Duncan have.
Run it through the magnetic field of a much more powerful set of magnets.
Not always. Every bar magnet I've ever ordered from anyone (Allstar Magnetics, Lindy Fralin) was already charged. Only the rod magnets in the Stew Mac Strat pickup kit I bought were not charged.
walters said:
The wire has a thin layer of insulation on it so you don't get shorts. In my experience, the wire will break from tension long before it loses insulation and shorts out.
walters said:
Layered wound has no randomness to the pattern. Just a slow, consistent, symmetrical back and forth movement that never varies. Impossible to do by hand, only done on fully automated pickup winders that only big-time manufacturers like Duncan have.
walters said:
Run it through the magnetic field of a much more powerful set of magnets.
walters said:
Not always. Every bar magnet I've ever ordered from anyone (Allstar Magnetics, Lindy Fralin) was already charged. Only the rod magnets in the Stew Mac Strat pickup kit I bought were not charged.
Rev Donzo
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Zhangliqun
thank you for helpin Walters bro! very cool of yas!
i needed ya-all to share too!
i cannot afford the time on a daily basis --
but its a real benifit for Walters to recive good answers!
thank's--
Rd
Zhangliqun
thank you for helpin Walters bro! very cool of yas!
i needed ya-all to share too!
i cannot afford the time on a daily basis --
but its a real benifit for Walters to recive good answers!
thank's--
Rd
Zhangliqun
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Re: Pickup winding machines?
No problem.
These questions are pretty much self-answering when you wind the coil. The diameter increases as you add more wire. But if you have two coils with the same amount of wire, a neat, fairly tight, more evenly layered coil will be smaller (more narrow) than a coil heavily scatterwound and loose.
There are two meanings of shape if I understand correctly. The first is the visible shape of the coil. The "wall" of the coil can be pretty much straight and flat or it can have a bulge or two. The second meaning is basically another way of saying wind pattern, meaning the shape of the entire coil path, the shape of the path the electrons take through the wire.
I have never heard the term "cross sections" used in reference to pickups, so I have no idea what that means.
walters said:
No problem.
walters said:
These questions are pretty much self-answering when you wind the coil. The diameter increases as you add more wire. But if you have two coils with the same amount of wire, a neat, fairly tight, more evenly layered coil will be smaller (more narrow) than a coil heavily scatterwound and loose.
There are two meanings of shape if I understand correctly. The first is the visible shape of the coil. The "wall" of the coil can be pretty much straight and flat or it can have a bulge or two. The second meaning is basically another way of saying wind pattern, meaning the shape of the entire coil path, the shape of the path the electrons take through the wire.
walters said:
I have never heard the term "cross sections" used in reference to pickups, so I have no idea what that means.
Re: Pickup winding machines?
Thanks Zhangliqun so much for helping me out with winding
How do i wind a "split" coil?
How do i wind a "Tapped" coil?
Do i have to "Break" the wire to make a split or tapped?
When winding a Split or Tapped coil whats the difference when doing these 2 different winding process please?
Thanks Zhangliqun so much for helping me out with winding
How do i wind a "split" coil?
How do i wind a "Tapped" coil?
Do i have to "Break" the wire to make a split or tapped?
When winding a Split or Tapped coil whats the difference when doing these 2 different winding process please?
