Pickup winding machines?

[Zhangliqun]

Re: Pickup winding machines?

Thanks Zhangliqun so much for helping me out with winding

How do i wind a "split" coil?



How do i wind a "Tapped" coil?


Do i have to "Break" the wire to make a split or tapped?

When winding a Split or Tapped coil whats the difference when doing these 2 different winding process please?

There is no such thing as a "split" single coil. This applies only to humbuckers. Splitting the coils on a humbucker has to do with how you wire the humbucker in the guitar and has nothing to do with how you wind the coils.

A tapped coil is where you wind the coil up to a certain amount, bring out a lead, then continue winding it all the way to spec. This gives you the possibility of two different sounds out of a single coil pickup. Tapped coils are almost always done on single coil pickups.

I just made myself a couple of Strat pickups with taps. The neck pickup is 8.8k with a tap at 7.7k while the bridge is 10.8k with a tap at 7.4k.

So on the bridge pickup, I wound the coil to 7.4k, brought out a tap lead, then continued winding it out to 10.8k. You don't have to break the coil wire to make a tap, you just wind the coil wire around one end of the lead wire you will be using to make the tap and then solder that winding of coil wire to the lead wire, and then keep on going.

 

[walters]

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Nice Zhangliqun

'dummy' pickup is basically another pickup, but it doesn't have the magnetic core in it

How do u wind a dummy pickup?

Because a dummy pickup doesn't have a magnet so no alnico at all no magnet field

I think dummy pickups can change the frequency response of the single coil pickup because its just a dummy coil in parallel or in series so it has a LCR

Have u used dummy coils or pickups?

 

[Zhangliqun]

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I don't know anything about dummy pickups. I've heard of them but never played a guitar with one.

 

[walters]

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Yes i have seen them like mounted by the tone controls on a strat a dummy coil can be away from the pickup i think they use it like a filter effects or a LRC network to get different frequency responses or so


Gibson had they "treble bleeder network" which would give more of a twang sound to the pickups RC decoupling network

Thanks alot Zhangliqun gave me some good information today

 

[walters]

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random winding pattern lowers the resonant peak of the pickup?

what sets the inductive reactance of the pickup?

Your guitar cable determines your pickup resonance?

 

[Gibsononly]

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random winding pattern lowers the resonant peak of the pickup?

what sets the inductive reactance of the pickup?

Your guitar cable determines your pickup resonance?

The more winds on the coil the lower the resonant peak.

I think induction in the coil is controlled by the number of winds and magnet strength. Induction refers to the amount of current produced in the coil.

The cable doesn't have anything to do with the performance of the pickup per se, but will factor into the final tone out of the amp.

 

[walters]

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But the cable is a capacitor with the amp load or impedance so it makes up a frequency responce network to it changes the pickups resonance i think

Aging the magnet changes the strength of the magnet so the inductance would be lower from aged magnets?



"The more winds on the coil the lower the resonant peak"

Do this sound right because the more windings i would think the inductors value would go up to have a "higher" resonant peak

The Magnet strength can make the resonant peak go higher?

The magnets strength =more "resonanct peak and more flux " ?

 

[walters]

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http://www.buildyourguitar.com/resources/lemme/table.htm

See the Winding Capacitance (pF) u can measure this by a capacitance meter and the inductance meter

Max.Peak height Q: What sets this value? how do i wind the pickup to have
different Peak Height Q's?


This chart is really good

 

[walters]

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Connecting a "Battery" to the magnets North and South poles increase the strength of the magnets output voltages and current

This is sorta like a Active pickup without a preamp

 

[Gibsononly]

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The more winds on the coil the higher the resistance and the lower the resonant peak. This is because the higher frequencies are cut out due to resistance in the coil. The more resistance the more high frequency loss.

The strength of the magnet changes inductance in the coil but the resonant peak, as I said, is a factor of the resistance in the coil.

That chart is actually demonstrating the changes in resonant peak using different capacitors.

 

[walters]

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thanks

higher magnet strength and weak pickups less windings= high resonant peak?

 

[Rev Donzo]

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we all still talk and no action here tonight?

The letterman show continues,

Talk is good but there comes a time

 

[Rev Donzo]

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wound his first pickups at age 16, using a modified record player as his first coil machine.

 

[walters]

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Rev how do u learn how to wind pickups?

how did u get a job winding pickups please?

 

[Rev Donzo]

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Rev how do u learn how to wind pickups?

I just did it -- its that first one ya got to get over -- the rest is easy!

how did u get a job winding pickups please?

Get re-born and this time Become a Asian or Latino woman -- and go apply for production assy. it pays less then $7.00hr. to start.

The only cool job in the industry is in Seymours Custom Shop -- other then that ya have to start your own. -- or you may as well be winding sewing thread spools

 

[walters]

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Thanks Rev

I'm going to the NAMM show next work and to look at pickup machines to maybe get one and practice at my apt. to see if i could make something

Where can i get bobbins and Alnico magnets like fender shaped ones so i can practice please?

Rev are u saying your self taught?

When u work for fender did u learn alot about scatter windings from other older fender strat and tele pickups

Because i want to work in the Custom shop maybe to wind pickups like the old way fender did or is it better to just do it in my apt for fun?

 

[walters]

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Rev to re-verse engineer the scatter windings of old strat pickups how do u do this please?

What i mean is that every lady at fender had there own pattern and style u told me so if i buy like 100 strats but take the pickups out and how do i learn the patterns and styles of the scatter windings from each of these ladies in the fender shop?

Do i have to unwind the wire? how do i reverse engineer this process please?

 

[Rev Donzo]

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hey congrats on going to NAMM -- ya know thats not open to the public and you need a badge from a music Manafacture who is a member right?

and there will be no winding machines there. or winding job's-- thats a trade show where music manafactures display there music products to stores ( buyers) and they place orders for goods -- anything else interfers with their trade show.

 

[walters]

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Which Tradeshow or is for pickup designers or guitar pickup winders?

I went to a guitar shows and they had old fender guitars and sold like fender parts and fender pickups but i forgot which one it was

 

[Rev Donzo]

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I never worked inside Fender ( it was over in another city at Lace where we made Fender Lace Sensors )

and contrary to popular belief -- I onyy would maybe 20 pickups myself at Lace and that was on an automatic machine -- The ladys wound me what ever I asked them too --in between production runs..


only here at the Apt. did I ever hand wind a pup. or work on Vintage pups.