Pickups in cream color?

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Mark Cearlock said:
Iirc, it is a seth/pg bastard child now, right? I bet it rips!
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there's two of'em, the one with the seth slug coil and PG screw coil and an a5 magnet is in the neck, the other with an a4 in the bridge, in my mockingbird. i'll write a review in a day or two, once i'm familiar enough with'em:naughty:
 
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Mark Cearlock said:
The antiquity bridge hb, and the seth lover I had must have been aged white then?
Why can't you call the color aged white? Fender patent, maybe?
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My guess is that we opened our mouths too far and too often in threasds like this, and Dimarzio got wind of the workaround and sent a C&D letter to SD.

ganzosrevenge said:
I think this is the same way the EVH stripey sequence is protected even though it's a bunch of colors.

and as for the DMZ patent and the exorbitant fees with it, isn't the patenting of a color (not a sequence, as that can be a logo a la frankenstein), a bit off-putting? I wonder if there's been any complaints from companies big and small about this. I also sort of wonder how many cases DMZ has brought against other companies in patent / federal court about it, or if they just do C&D's and their bark is worse than their bite.
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1. It´s a trademark, not a patent. The biggest difference is that trademarks never expire.

2. It´s been discussed ad absurdum on this and other forums. Yes, one could go after the trademark and probably win, but the costs involved would likely outweigh any number of double cream pickups that could be sold in a reasonable timeframe.

As I´ve said for years, if you don´t like this trademark and it´s obvious effects, then vote with your wallet and stop buying Dimarzio products until they drop the trademark. Not just pickups, but straps, pots, accessories and also any new guitars loaded with them (whether, say, Fender buys the pickups or you do doesn´t really make much difference in Dimarzio´s pocket.)

For ex. I would love to own a Jackson PC-1, but never will until Dimarzio drops the trademark. JCMI has also been informed in writing of this, and I sent Dimarzio a statement about why I refuse to carry anything in my then retail store that bears a Dimarzio logo. I alone can achieve nothing in this battle, but at least I´m actually fighting and not just complaining.

IMO doing anything less is just hot air ;)
 
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I was just thinking ... I guess if you REALLY wanted a double cream Duncan.. you could order 2 of the same pickup.. one zebra and one reverse zebra and disassemble/reassemble so you'd then have one double cream and one double black.. An expensive and labor-intensive solution, but possible..
 
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cheezemaster said:
I was just thinking ... I guess if you REALLY wanted a double cream Duncan.. you could order 2 of the same pickup.. one zebra and one reverse zebra and disassemble/reassemble so you'd then have one double cream and one double black.. An expensive and labor-intensive solution, but possible..
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i was thinking about that too. it would be a bit labor-intensive, but imagine the kinda(under the table) profit you could make from selling creme duncans...
 
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Evan,

When did double creme's prevention expand to "you can't do the 'lightly soldered' and then pop the cover" trick? Or has it always been that way with "magical circumvention?

Jason
 
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super rad stuff said:
i was thinking about that too. it would be a bit labor-intensive, but imagine the kinda(under the table) profit you could make from selling creme duncans...
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Plus you'd still be lefte with a double black version of the pickup to use or/sell too!!

Personally, I prefer nickel covered or double-black or even zebra to double creme anyway so I can't see going thru the effort.. but it could be done.. especially if you're experienced with making hybrids..
 
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arellanon said:
Well each Carvin humbucker has 11 poles per individual bobbin so a total of 22 poles are in each humbucker. I think you might have something here Dali.
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I believe DiMarzio did try to make Carvin cease and desist in making double cream pickups. Carvin's pickups are never confused with DiMarzio's. That's the whole basis for DiMarzio's trademark. They say that buyers might be confused if other manufacturers made double cream models and accidentally buy the competition's. With Carvin, there's no mistaking the 22 poles.
 
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Butch Snyder said:
I believe DiMarzio did try to make Carvin cease and desist in making double cream pickups. Carvin's pickups are never confused with DiMarzio's. That's the whole basis for DiMarzio's trademark. They say that buyers might be confused if other manufacturers made double cream models and accidentally buy the competition's. With Carvin, there's no mistaking the 22 poles.
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Great job Butch for the info! I did not know this. Since the entire line of humbuckers from Carvin has 22 poles they have liberty of offering all cream bobbins for any humbucker.

Oh Larry, Larry, Larry. Why you hate so much? :cool2:: private:
 
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Butch Snyder said:
I believe DiMarzio did try to make Carvin cease and desist in making double cream pickups. Carvin's pickups are never confused with DiMarzio's. That's the whole basis for DiMarzio's trademark. They say that buyers might be confused if other manufacturers made double cream models and accidentally buy the competition's. With Carvin, there's no mistaking the 22 poles.
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Good point, I think the 22 poles are a Carvin Trademark..... meaning that since nobody else can build a pickup with 22 poles, they could never be confused with a Dimarzio....

And considering that Carvin´s trademark would hold water in court much more easily than Dimarzio´s... :naughty:

arellanon said:
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Oh Larry, Larry, Larry. Why you hate so much? :cool2:: private:
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Larry hateth not, he weaseleth :D
 
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Zerberus said:
My guess is that we opened our mouths too far and too often in threasds like this, and Dimarzio got wind of the workaround and sent a C&D letter to SD.

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For ex. I would love to own a Jackson PC-1, but never will until Dimarzio drops the trademark. JCMI has also been informed in writing of this, and I sent Dimarzio a statement about why I refuse to carry anything in my then retail store that bears a Dimarzio logo. I alone can achieve nothing in this battle, but at least I´m actually fighting and not just complaining.

IMO doing anything less is just hot air ;)
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JCMI got informed in writing of your desire... why not have JCMI build a Custom PC-1 style with Duncans Also, I agree. When I work on friend's guitars, I absolutely refuse to use DMZ's for that reason... I'd rather use an SD or any other reputable company than a litigious weasel.

Zerberus said:
Larry hateth not, he weaseleth :D
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That comment nearly put chocolate milk all over my laptop screen :jester::chairfall
 
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Zerberus said:
Good point, I think the 22 poles are a Carvin Trademark..... meaning that since nobody else can build a pickup with 22 poles, they could never be confused with a Dimarzio....

And considering that Carvin´s trademark would hold water in court much more easily than Dimarzio´s... :naughty:



Larry hateth not, he weaseleth :D
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Looks like DiMarzio got a taste of its own medicine courtesy of Carvin.
 
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ganzosrevenge said:
JCMI got informed in writing of your desire... why not have JCMI build a Custom PC-1 style with Duncans Also, I agree. When I work on friend's guitars, I absolutely refuse to use DMZ's for that reason... I'd rather use an SD or any other reputable company than a litigious weasel.
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Because at the time (and AFAIK that still stands) CS versions of an artist`s instrument must adhere to the specs deemed acceptable and be signed off by the artist themselves. Often they will only allow a direct facsimile of the instrument they are using on stage NOW, as was IIRC the case with a recent run of Mark Morton Dominions. That means no PC-1s with Duncans until Phil says it´s OK, starts endorsing Duncan (ideal situation, Win-win-win-win all across the board, Phil wins better tone, SD wins an good endorsee, Jackson wins a customer and I win a chance to get a guitar I´ve wanted for quite a while, hehe), or until this policy is dropped. ;)

That comment nearly put chocolate milk all over my laptop screen :jester::chairfall
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THen it´s 2 purposes were served, truth and Humor :beerchug:
 
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just wait until my 'double-black' and 'six strings' trademarks go through, then you're all in real trouble.

US patents are only valid in the US, right? i assume trademarks are international?
if not, i'm sure you could find a few people who'd be more than happy to help, outside the US
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dr. ad said:
just wait until my 'double-black' and 'six strings' trademarks go through, then you're all in real trouble.

US patents are only valid in the US, right? i assume trademarks are international?
if not, i'm sure you could find a few people who'd be more than happy to help, outside the US
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All the european manufacturers sell Double creams, be it Bareknuckle, Häussel, Rockinger, Schaller .... but I think that´s more of a calculated risk that Dimarzio won´t get the balls to try and litigate something that frivolous in Europe, especially against a company that hols a comparatively small portion of the market shared primarily by SD /Dimarzio /EMG more or less worldwide. ;)

i could however be completely wrong on this one, but seeing as that other trademarks like Coca Cola hold water and are honored it seems to be a logical assumption...


*Edit* Hmm, waitasec.. If Jackson was legally able to release a run of 150 stratheads in 1990 with no intervention by Fender possible (and they were, I own one of the 75 in trans red. And the 1991 Limited Edition also had a strathead), then maybe, just maybe, there´s hope for an "export" version of SDs in Double cream.??

Obviously these might filter back to the us through eBay, but that´s not exactly SD´s fault, is it?....:D
 
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