Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

mantis

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Whats up guys?
A customer of mine is a Blues player and has a hell of a collection of very nice Les Pauls , Tele's and some Martin stuff. A spanish guitar and a few others.
He has a Road King he said he barely understands as it's to complicated to use. He also is frustrated with his tone.

I was not there to help him with his tone but to tweak his Home theater system , it's what I do. So out of sheer curiosity I decided to give hime a helping hand and play through his amp.
I also told him about the 10 watt setting as he said it's to powerful for practice at home and is always turning it down. So I dug in and here's my opinions on this amp.

I have to agree with him as there are so many adjustments. It's a double edge sword if you ask me. Not enough adjustment and you may never find your tone , to much same thing. I might have spent 10 minutes dialing in the clean and drive channel. The Clean I got pretty good , I added in some reverb to give it a touch of space instead of a dry sound. The mesa clean is somewhat muddy IMO and need a little help warming up. The Reverb did a nice job of giving that channel some balance. Bass was about 6 , Mid's where about 5 and high's where in at 6 to 7.
The gain was turned down to about 2 to 3 which gave it a warm sound without tube break up at low volumes. It had a nice warm blue type sound and it was nice. He liked how I dialed it in to his Studio Les Paul which is one of his favorite guitars and plays that one often.
Now the drive channel I has some trouble with. It's gain is very low with a messy mid range tone to it. I wasn't trying to dial in any hard rock to metal tones as this amp doesn't have any of that. But I was trying to get a nice tube break up with a shimmery warm natural Blues tone. Well I failed pretty badly. I couldn't dail out the mid range hump. When I backed off the Mid's , it got weak and to loose. It has many switches for warm fat or clean or something I can't remember off hand. But I tried all the settings to find the one that worked.
Basically the time I had spent was not enough. I would really need to dial this amp in as it's not easy. I can get most amps no matter what they are to get a pretty nice tone out of from blues to metal tones depending on the level of gain ones amp has. This bastard gave me some resistance.

I'm not throwing in the towel in this amp just yet as I'm thinking he might have some beat tubes. The 10 watt setting might not be enough o give the amp good break up. It was just a mess and I kept messign with it. When this happens when I'm looking at amps , I move on but I know there is some good tone in there somewhere , it's just going to take some time to find it.
I almost wanted him to let me take it home and give it a full workout as i know if I spend enough time , something good will come out.

Just out of curiosity , You mesa Road King players , what settings do you like to get a good Les Paul Blues tone ? Someting really older sounding with clarity and warmth. Nice top end but nicely rolled lows into a beautiful inviting mid range?
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

I've got a Road King 2x12 Combo also. Mine is a version 1, but still, I'm wondering if you ID'ed the amp correctly? A few things sound a bit strange. Regardless, one defining characteristic of Mesa amps is their active EQ. It's not like a Fender or Marshall where B/M/T give you a little more or a little less of each range. The treble actually begins to boost gain when you get past 6 or so, and the mids begin to act differently at this level as well, and all of them interact based on where the others are set. Additionally on this amp you have a choice of EL34 or 6L6, Tube or Diode Rectifier, Spongy or Stiff Power, Triode or Pentode EL34, and 3 different Preamp "voices" per channel.

I usually leave the channels configured like this:
Channel 1 - Clean Mode or Tweed, 4 6L6 (100W) with Tube rectification
Channel 2 - Brit Mode, 2 EL34 (50W) Tube rectification
Channel 3 - Vintage, 2 EL34 (50W) Tube rectification
Channel 4 - Modern 4 6L6 (100W) Diode rectification

I'm in Channel 1 or 2 80% of the time, gain on 50% in clean, 100% Tweed, 100% Brit. I use boosts or ODs and Fuzzes to get the tones I want.

This amp is a plethora of tones, and unfortunately it takes a ton of effort to dial in a tone you like. Additionally, the settings I need for my Strat/Tele and LP with Custom/59 are wildly different.

Like I mentioned, a few things seem a bit strange about your descriptions though...
-"10W"
This amp has 4 6L6s and 2 EL34s, all available in any combination ranging from 50W to 150W

-"I wasn't trying to dial in any hard rock to metal tones as this amp doesn't have any of that."
The Road King is essentially the top of the line, cadillac version of the Dual Rectifier, the de facto standard amp of 90's and early 2000's Hard Rock and Metal. It is more than capable of Hard Rock and Metal.
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

I just got my first Mesa and am only getting the chance to really dig into it this weekend. But the one thing I already can tell is that these amps cover more ground and need more attention when dialing them in than anything else I've ever used.

Fortunately, Mesa gets pretty deep in their owner's manuals at describing how to dial them in. They give a lot of tips on how to get the best tone out of every setting, and they talk about what they were trying to accomplish when designing each feature. You might find it worthwhile to RTFM to see if it gets you there:

Mesa Boogie Road King Owner's Manual
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

I once rented a Triple Rectifier + matching cab for recording a friend's album.
Gave up after two days and replaced it with a 6505+, got sounds that we liked out of it inmediately.

Those Mesa are way too complicated to get right IMO.
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

I think my next amp will be a tweed Fender clone, one with just Volume and Tone. ;) When I just want to plug in, I'll go for that one. Hahaha
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

I got a Lonestar Special 4x10 and think even that has too many options on it... they pack so many things into their amps but damn when you tweak it just right they have amazing sounds and I only use the clean channel with pedals
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

I've got a Road King 2x12 Combo also. Mine is a version 1, but still, I'm wondering if you ID'ed the amp correctly? A few things sound a bit strange. Regardless, one defining characteristic of Mesa amps is their active EQ. It's not like a Fender or Marshall where B/M/T give you a little more or a little less of each range. The treble actually begins to boost gain when you get past 6 or so, and the mids begin to act differently at this level as well, and all of them interact based on where the others are set. Additionally on this amp you have a choice of EL34 or 6L6, Tube or Diode Rectifier, Spongy or Stiff Power, Triode or Pentode EL34, and 3 different Preamp "voices" per channel.

I usually leave the channels configured like this:
Channel 1 - Clean Mode or Tweed, 4 6L6 (100W) with Tube rectification
Channel 2 - Brit Mode, 2 EL34 (50W) Tube rectification
Channel 3 - Vintage, 2 EL34 (50W) Tube rectification
Channel 4 - Modern 4 6L6 (100W) Diode rectification

I'm in Channel 1 or 2 80% of the time, gain on 50% in clean, 100% Tweed, 100% Brit. I use boosts or ODs and Fuzzes to get the tones I want.

This amp is a plethora of tones, and unfortunately it takes a ton of effort to dial in a tone you like. Additionally, the settings I need for my Strat/Tele and LP with Custom/59 are wildly different.

Like I mentioned, a few things seem a bit strange about your descriptions though...
-"10W"
This amp has 4 6L6s and 2 EL34s, all available in any combination ranging from 50W to 150W

-"I wasn't trying to dial in any hard rock to metal tones as this amp doesn't have any of that."
The Road King is essentially the top of the line, cadillac version of the Dual Rectifier, the de facto standard amp of 90's and early 2000's Hard Rock and Metal. It is more than capable of Hard Rock and Metal.
This does not sound like the amp I played. It has a footswitch jack right on the front of the amp as well as 2 on the back. The 10w switch was right on the front of the amp to the right. It has a open back design.
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

I once rented a Triple Rectifier + matching cab for recording a friend's album.
Gave up after two days and replaced it with a 6505+, got sounds that we liked out of it inmediately.

Those Mesa are way too complicated to get right IMO.
If you have the time to spend on it , It's gotta be cool to have that much flexibility , but if you like to plug in , dial in for a minute and run then a Mesa is not for you.
I could find myself getting frustrated with it , backing away then coming back to dial in. I'd own a Mesa.
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

I looked on ebay at some Mesa amps and I think it was a Lonestar but I thought it has a 10w switch , the one I just looked at was 50w 100w like the Road King. But the layout of the front panel was exactly like the Lonestar with the Footwsitch over to the left. It was a Stereo 1/4 cable that plugged into the amp and into the footswitch.
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

It was probably a lonestar. The regular lonestar has a 10w setting and footswitch on the front left panel as you described.

I love my Mesas but I agree with the others who have said they take a lot of tweaking to get them how you want. The EQ takes some getting used to and there is a large amount of variability in how both eq and gain behave on different channels.

Also it's worth mentioning that they need some time to warm up, in my experience.
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

I think Lonestars are actually pretty easy to dial in, but I've been using Mesas since about 1995. I have a DC-3, a Maverick, three Mark IIIs, a IV and, as of a month ago, a Mark V. I was getting great tones on the V on all three channels in less than ten minutes...but then...I know the secret handshake. :14: LOL!

Reading the manual is a MUST with these amps..they're on the Mesa site. And if you have questions, call Mesa's Customer Service...they WANT to help you get the best from your amp. Mesa endorser Andy Timmons has some great vids showing off his Lonestar Classic setup, so check YouTube. He's a great player and knows his stuff.

And if you really want to hear the difference in tubes, check out the 6L6s in the Lonestar Classic against the EL84s in the Lonestar Special. What an eye-opener! Neither of these amps would be my choice of amp for metal-head; there are better choices. Great amp though, for the guy that does a variety of roots and classic rock, county, blues, jazz...with a variety of guitars.

And hey...if the guy doesn't want it, I'm sure I can come up with a Franklin or two to take it off his hands! :naughty:

Bill
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

what are the major differences tonally between the LSS and the LSC ? 6L6 vs EL84 ?

I got the LSS 4x10 EL84 combo and LOVE its sound clean with pedals.. cleans are a little thin thought without my EQ pedal on
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

Comparing the two amps with the same speaker...the LSS has a rounder tone, a little less bass...a little less top end, more liquid...what many call "chime". The LSC has a bigger, broader--airy on the top end; deeper, tighter bass...and the 6L6 keeps that tone as it is cranked up. The EL84 compresses more and gets even more rounder as it's turned up. I like them both...but when I played my first EL-84 Mesa after years of 6L6s, I really felt like something was missing in the top end..I missed that "air"...the stringiness, but I soon learned that both have their place. All good!

Bill
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

wow thanks so much for the info Boogie Bill... Mesa amps are by far my favorite for their powerful EQ and tonal options but something about 4x10s always wins me over... they just fit my sound better!
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

When I hear people talking about Mesas being muddy and then I see that they are dialing their bass in at SIX, I have to stop and comment.

When you dial your Mesa, keep in mind that the low end starts where most amps would be at around 10 0'clock.

Take out more bass the next time and you will find the sparkling clean you are looking for.

Also...especially with the Road King....Set the master volume at NOON and then adjust the channel volumes accordingly.


Better luck next time,

~LD
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

I have a Blue Angel which is probably the Mesa he needs. I don't know why a blues player with a lot of LPs would consider a Road King- I am sure he seen one before he bought it. It is an amp capable of hundreds of sounds, not one for people who don't read the manual and don't like to spend hours tweaking to find your own (many) sounds.
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

eq the amp with your ears not with your eyes.
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

I have a Blue Angel which is probably the Mesa he needs. I don't know why a blues player with a lot of LPs would consider a Road King- I am sure he seen one before he bought it. It is an amp capable of hundreds of sounds, not one for people who don't read the manual and don't like to spend hours tweaking to find your own (many) sounds.

Yeah man, it's a gear hound's amp. I have a Blue Angel too and I love that amp. Mine hisses pretty badly but I deal with it because it sounds so great and I turn the mids (which double as a gain control) down a bit too.

Anyway..yeah...the Road King was Randy's answer to the amp modeling craze of the time. He wanted all these different Mesa tones in an all analog forum. Architecturally, that amp is a mess but it sounds great.

eq the amp with your ears not with your eyes.

- = A M E N = -
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

holy hell. i just looked at the back panel of a road king.... seems like there's not a single sound you couldn't possibly squeeze from it. that's probably the only amp i'd sell my JSX to buy.... if it didnt cost 3x as much.
 
Re: Played a Mesa Boogie Road King 2 x 12 combo today.

holy hell. i just looked at the back panel of a road king.... seems like there's not a single sound you couldn't possibly squeeze from it. that's probably the only amp i'd sell my JSX to buy.... if it didnt cost 3x as much.
I'd rather the JSX over the Road king.
 
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