Played a truckload of amps this weekend

ratherdashing

Kablamminator
It's all a bit of a blur, but I'll do my best to give my thoughts.

Mesa Lonestar: Beautiful clean channel, and the EQ was very responsive. Crunch channel sounded good, but sadly this amp doesn't have enough gain for what I want to do. It was also retardedly loud (as was every Mesa I've tried recently). I really did like both channels though. It would be a great amp for someone who doesn't need much more than a light crunch.

Mesa Single Rectifier Rect-o-verb combo: I did not get along with this amp much at all. It was really loud and boomy no matter what I did. The low end ranged from thumpy to out of control. I did really like the high gain tone I got from this one, but I had to get it to ear bleeding levels in order to do so. If Mesa made an amp with the Lonestar's clean channel and this amp's gain channel, and cut the output in half, I'd be all over it.

Mesa Express 5:50: Randall Smith really crapped the bed with this one. It stinks. I remember when Mesa's low end amps were awesome: the Dual Calibers were really sweet (I owned one), and the F series was great too. What the hell happened? Clean was so-so; nothing to get excited about. This was a disappointment, because I normally love Mesa cleans. Gain channel has two modes: "swarm of bees" and "loud belch". In true Mesa fashion, it is brutally loud, even in 5 watt mode. What's the point of a 5 watt mode if it's still to loud to practice with?

Mesa ... uh ... I think it was a Mark III? The hipsters at the shop weren't sure whether this was a Mark II or a Mark III. I'm pretty sure it was a III (the manual I downloaded from Mesa's site seems to match up). Never before has an amp with so few knobs caused me so much confusion. Dialing this thing in was like trying to solve a Rubik's Cube. Every time I thought I had it figured out I would pull one of the many push-pull knobs and ruin everything. I was able to get a really nice clean tone, and a really nice crunch tone, but not both at the same time (i.e. footswitching would be a no go). And guess what - it was loud!

Marshall 30th Anniversary 1x12 combo: I was excited when I saw all the knobs - I love amps with lots of knobs. I love to tweak. I had heard terrible things about this amp so I went in with low expectations. Truth be told, two of the three channels were quite useful, and I was able to make it sound good at a reasonable volume*, which was quite a treat after all the Mesa's. Clean channel was not perfect, but better than I expected from a Marshall. I got close enough to my ideal clean sound to be satisfied. Channel 2 (crunch) had a noisy tube, but it still managed to get a good cranked Plexi tone. I wish these bozos would test their amps before putting them on sale. Channel 3, I believe, was designed by Marshall as some kind of weapon of ear destruction. It had a good variety of gain depending on how you dialed it in, but underneath it all was a devastating treble frequency that cut through me like a laser beam. I could not get rid of it - it was too powerful for a mere mortal to control. If you see one of these amps, please keep living things away from Channel 3 at all times. It is your civic duty.

Marshall JCM 2000 DSL 50: Two channels + one tone stack = one unhappy ratherdashing. I find it very hard to set tone controls in a way I can live with that allows for a good sounding clean and a good sounding crunch. Aside from that, this amp sounds really good. I was able to get a good variety of sweet tones from this amp, including a very good clean, at reasonable volume - and no treble beam of death! I would want to hear this beast through a 2x12, since there's no way I'm hauling a 4x12 all over town ... not to mention the volume reduction would be good.

Marshall JCM 2000 DSL 401: I am a big fan of the EL84, so I figured I had to give this one a spin. It took quite a bit of tweaking, but I got a really nice clean and a really thundering crunch out of it. I had to dime the master volume in order to do that - at any other level the OD channel goes into angry bumblebee mode. Amazingly I was able to do that without busting any eardrums, thanks to the individual channel volume knobs. I am torn as to whether I like this amp better than the DSL 50.

* My idea of "reasonable volume" is enough to compete with a drum kit. Not stadium loud, not bedroom quiet. Reasonable.
 
Re: Played a truckload of amps this weekend

Mesa = Rubiks Cube = bad tone = I give up.

Today, I played on a Fender Super Sonic blonde head/212 with a $2500 Fender 51 NoCaster Relic. I think that might have been the best tele I've ever played. But back on track.....the Super Sonic head/212 with a Holy Grail in the FX loop would be a killer rig.

Next to it was a lil Marshall 20W 2061X/2-12, and looking at them side by side was a stereo short stack rig to behold. I would have loved to plug into that mini Marshall/Fender rig with a stereo pedal.
 
Re: Played a truckload of amps this weekend

Where did you play all of those Matt?

Njams has been the only place with a Anniversary LM that I've seen lately.

I was a L&M yesterday and they had a bunch of used amps. JCM900s... DSLs... Fenders, Traynors... all kinds of stuff.

Finding an amp is a tough thing. I think that's why I've stuck with my AX2 for SOOOOOO long, because no matter what I try, they all seem to fall short.

Good luck in your search
 
Re: Played a truckload of amps this weekend

It's all a bit of a blur, but I'll do my best to give my thoughts.

Mesa Lonestar: Beautiful clean channel, and the EQ was very responsive. Crunch channel sounded good, but sadly this amp doesn't have enough gain for what I want to do. It was also retardedly loud (as was every Mesa I've tried recently). I really did like both channels though. It would be a great amp for someone who doesn't need much more than a light crunch.

Mesa Single Rectifier Rect-o-verb combo: I did not get along with this amp much at all. It was really loud and boomy no matter what I did. The low end ranged from thumpy to out of control. I did really like the high gain tone I got from this one, but I had to get it to ear bleeding levels in order to do so. If Mesa made an amp with the Lonestar's clean channel and this amp's gain channel, and cut the output in half, I'd be all over it.
Mesa's Roadking series II and Roadster feature cleans based on the Lonestar and gain channels from the Rectifier series. Road King has switchable power tubes, 6L6 and EL34, and technically you could change them for 6V6's and Yellowjacket EL84's...
 
Re: Played a truckload of amps this weekend

Where did you play all of those Matt?

Njams has been the only place with a Anniversary LM that I've seen lately.

I was a L&M yesterday and they had a bunch of used amps. JCM900s... DSLs... Fenders, Traynors... all kinds of stuff.

Finding an amp is a tough thing. I think that's why I've stuck with my AX2 for SOOOOOO long, because no matter what I try, they all seem to fall short.

Good luck in your search

The first three were Tom Lee in Richmond, the next two were at NJAMS, and the last two were at L&M Arbutus.

Which L&M were you at?

btw, after I narrow down my search to a select few amps, I'd like you to come along for a second opinion, if you're interested.
 
Re: Played a truckload of amps this weekend

Nice and small reviews... Wouldn't the DC or the F series be good candidates in your search, or are you set on trying something different?
 
Re: Played a truckload of amps this weekend

Nice and small reviews... Wouldn't the DC or the F series be good candidates in your search, or are you set on trying something different?

If I saw a DC or an F come up on the used market, I would definitely give them a try. I think I saw an F-something at L&M while I was there, but it was getting late and I was a bit burnt out by the previous bad amp experiences.
 
Re: Played a truckload of amps this weekend

Mesa = Rubiks Cube = bad tone = I give up.

In the beginning, before there was a Mark II there was the 60w/100w Boogies. They are known now as original Mark I. But they are very simple amps. Good tone too ... basically a beefy Fender with a cascading pre-amp on the front of it.

I've always heard about the later Mark amps being complicated ... never played them.
 
Re: Played a truckload of amps this weekend

Mesa = Rubiks Cube = bad tone = I give up.

In the beginning, before there was a Mark II there was the 60w/100w Boogies. They are known now as original Mark I. But they are very simple amps. Good tone too ... basically a beefy Fender with a cascading pre-amp on the front of it.

I've always heard about the later Mark amps being complicated ... never played them.

Anyway ... at least one of the Mark's is a simple amp design. I almost never touch the knobs on the amp.

:)
 
Re: Played a truckload of amps this weekend

Yeah, I've heard almost every Mesa model throughout the years, mostly at the Mesa Boogie store on Sunset Blvd. I've owned a 2-12 Tremoverb combo, MKI 112, Abacus Midi controller, and a 295 Power amp.

Overall, I think they've hit some home runs, but a lot of their amps just seem so over-engineered, that the pure signal path sounds robbed of rich harmonic content. Also, some of the amps have an inherent sound in the clean breakup that almost reminds me of a torn speaker. Not all amps, just some of their models.

However, they've made some real gems over the years. And all the models have superior switching reliability, compared to other companies who go cheap on footswitches. The Abacus Midi controller is one of the greatest ever made.

The Triaxis is an amazing work of sonic art. All their power amps kick butt. The original Dual Rectifier, Stiletto Ace, MKIV, MKIIC+, Blue Angel, Subway, Tremoverb, D and F series, and all the cabs......all great creations.
 
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The Triaxis is an amazing work of sonic art. All their power amps kick butt. The original Dual Rectifier, Stiletto Ace, MKIV, MKIIC+, Blue Angel, Subway, Tremoverb, D and F series, and all the cabs......all great creations.

I had an original Dual Recto... sold it & sometimes wish I had it back but most times not. Some of those amps ARE just way too complicated though. What's the one with 1900 tubes & all the switching and no tone? Road King?! Ugh.

A few months ago I played an Express combo and kinda liked it... I dig the DSL50 head, but the 400 combo? I'd rather have a PV Bandit then that lump... thin & scrappy.
 
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