Played some great amps today. Diezel, Soldano, Bad Cat.

Gearjoneser

Gear Ho
I went down to one of the few Guitar Centers that stocks high end amps, GC Sherman Oaks, mostly to hear a Bogner Ecstasy Classic that Olin said they had.
Well the Classic was already sold, so I checked out the Diezel Herbert, Diezel Einstein, Soldano Avenger, and a Bad Cat Custom 15/30.

First, the metal monster, the Diezel Herbert. If you want metal, look no further than this fire breathing gain machine! I'll admit, I like more organic sounding amps, but this 180W crusher has 3 nicely voiced channels with their own volumes, besides the 2 switchable master volumes. Channel one is a decent clean tone which I expected from an amp with infinite headroom.....maybe similar to a Mesa, Peavey, or Crate BV clean channel. The crunch channel can clean up to the point of Angus Young type tone, but it really excels as a metal rhythm like Lynch, Wylde, or Dime. The 3rd channel is just distortion mayhem...probably the highest amount of defined gain I've ever heard come out of an amp! It's probably too saturated for most rhythm, but gives a nice singing metal lead tone with the gain on half!
I also liked how the amp had switchable masters, so you can boost any of the 3 channels, and also some midcut knobs to dial the mids further than the mid controls on each channel, as well as a deep knob for enhanced thump.
You'll need $4100 to get into that amp though, so keep dreaming!

The Einstein was a little more my style, since it has 3 different modes with EQ, Clean, Texas, and Mega. Mega is the trademark Diezel rhythm gain tone. Unfortunately these 3 channels share 1 set of EQ's and are NON switchable from a footswitch. The gain channel, Lead has it's own set of EQ's, and is very versatile, which will take you through most levels of gain for soloing. Voiced very nice. This head is 50W or 100W, which is what most people need, not the head-imploding watts of the Herbert or VH4. I think most players from varying styles of music would prefer the Einstein 50W over the others.....I know I'd choose this one. Diezels aren't cheap, but they don't suck either. These are in the mid $3000's.

The Soldano Avenger is touted as being the SLO lead channel only, for players that would rather roll their volume back for semi clean tones. However, gain is what Soldano is known for, and this will definitely dish out copious amounts of high gain chunk.
It's a little looser in feel than the super tight Diezels, but possibly fatter as a result. With a Les Paul it reminded me of Billy Gibbons when he's playing with max distortion. I really like this amp because of it's character, and for a 6L6 amp, it's pretty nice in the mids. It's one channel, but you can cover a lot of ground with different variations of volume/gain. I think a strat would probably sound better on this amp than the Diezels too, although all of the amps mentioned are really meant for heavy humbucker tones.
Also, the price is a lot nicer on this amp. Still not cheap, but at $1550, it's reasonable, if you don't need a second channel. A used one would be a good score for around $1100.

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Re: Played some great amps today. Diezel, Soldano, Bad Cat.

The surprise of the day was an amp that's a little more my style, since I play strats most of the time.....the Bad Cat Hot Cat Custom 15/30, which was a head on top of a 1-12 cab. I'm usually scared off by low wattage EL-84 amps, because of the loose Voxy gain that most have. This amp actually is loud, tight, and Marshall-like, and the gain sings like an old Plexi maxed out.
I fell in love with this amp instantly, since the cleans were chimey and beautiful at normal volumes.....way better cleans than the Diezel for my taste. The gain channel was shocking, since it was much more liquid sounding than I expected....not metal toned, but something a high gain blues player would love. While I was playing a Les Paul on the Diezels and Soldano, doing stuff like Metallica, AIC, and ZZ Top, I opted for a Grosh Classic Strat into the Bad Cat, and was doing more SRV/Mayer type chops on this rig. I was so impressed with this amp, even moreso than the last time I tried a Hot Cat w/EL-34's. I'm almost tempted to sell my Matchless Chieftain 2-12 combo, and go shopping for the right Bad Cat amp. Utterly superb roots rock amps! And yes, they're very expensive too, but I don't go to music stores to listen to cheap crap. :laugh2: :chairfall

By the way, that Grosh Classic Strat blew me away. Whatever pickups Grosh uses are so good I'd never think to replace them. Flawless neck!
 
Re: Played some great amps today. Diezel, Soldano, Bad Cat.

Very indepth report cool beans, good job !
 
Re: Played some great amps today. Diezel, Soldano, Bad Cat.

Gearjoneser said:
By the way, that Grosh Classic Strat blew me away. Whatever pickups Grosh uses are so good I'd never think to replace them. Flawless neck!

custom dimarzios or more likely lindy fralin. a friend of mine has a pair of grosh strats that he absolutly loves. very well built stuff
 
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jeremy said:
custom dimarzios or more likely lindy fralin. a friend of mine has a pair of grosh strats that he absolutly loves. very well built stuff

They're Lindy Fralins. Grosh just moved his operation and now resides and builds pretty close to my shop in Colorado. Lew
 
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Now that I think about it, they probably were Fralin Vintage Hots. I wish all my Fender Strats had a neck like that Grosh. It sounded fantastic through the Bad Cat. I still think the Bogner tromps all over the Diezels, tonewise. I'm really thinking about checking out more Bad Cats, because Mark Sampson owned Matchless, then possibly improved upon them with his Bad Cat line. That Hot Cat 15 was far more impressive than I would have ever expected.
 
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i need a damn herbert :(

i still can't bring myself to blow $4k on one head though. perhaps one day i'll loose my mind and just buy one LOL.

-Mike
 
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XSSIVE said:
i need a damn herbert :(

i still can't bring myself to blow $4k on one head though. perhaps one day i'll loose my mind and just buy one LOL.

-Mike

Sell all your amps and buy the Ecstasy, VH4, or Herbert. I really was impressed with the Herbert. That amp was monster! If you want a metal amp that'll destroy, the Herbert is your amp. If I turned it up any louder, I could have turned that Marshall 4-12 cab into a pile of dust. :fingersx: :smack:
I had a ball cranking that thing. It's a ferociously tight gain machine.
 
Re: Played some great amps today. Diezel, Soldano, Bad Cat.

That is some great reading. I haven't ever checked out a Herbert but like the Einstein. It is the most Bogner-ish, organic Diezel. The VH4 and Herbert are both more kick-in-your-face modern gain monsters. I think people slightly underrate the Diezel cleans. My VH4 has a magical clean channel and I hear the Herbert is just as good. They both record extremely well. Diezel says it is a cross between the best Fender and the best Hiwatt- that is a pretty good description.

I do use my Ecstasy the most right now but it is the newest. When I start gigging again it will be tough to beat the VH4 with everything controlled by a Ground Control. No more separate channel switching!! THat will be nice.
 
Re: Played some great amps today. Diezel, Soldano, Bad Cat.

I just sold a few years old Hot Cat 30. It was just too freaking much for home use. Nice amp though. Built like a brick.
 
Re: Played some great amps today. Diezel, Soldano, Bad Cat.

I played the VH4 in the same GC, I'd buy that amp in a minute if I had the cash to burn. It reminded me of a Smashing Pumpkins type tone - great for hard rock and metal for sure.
 
Re: Played some great amps today. Diezel, Soldano, Bad Cat.

RGN said:
I do use my Ecstasy the most right now but it is the newest. When I start gigging again it will be tough to beat the VH4 with everything controlled by a Ground Control. No more separate channel switching!! THat will be nice.

It probably isn't fair to say the Bogner trounces the Diezel, because it really doesn't. They're two different amps that are at the top of the channel switching food chain. I'm probably a little biased because I listen to the Bogner on a daily basis through a Bogner 4-12, while I just played the Diezel for an hour on a regular Marshall 1960A cab. The main difference I hear between them is that the Diezel sounds like a super high wattage amp being harnessed down to an acceptable volume, while the Bogner sounds like it's working at it's most efficient level, or sounds like it's being cranked, rather than being held back.

The Bogner and Diezel both have totally amazing preamp sections, which I couldn't honestly tell you how to improve upon. You really have to respect guys like Peter Diezel and Reinhold Bogner because they've perfected the art of highgain channel switching amps. From what I see, Diezel creates perfectly voiced channels, and then leaves most of the additional tweaking to shaping the power section. Bogner created a power section that sounds like it's being cranked to the breaking point, then allows you to take each channel and morph it in any way you wish. Very inspiring amp designers, and all I know is that all the rest of them are going to have an uphill battle playing catch up. ENGL and VHT are riding their tails closely, the way I see it.
Marshall, as great as they are, seems to have gone back the other direction, resting on their laurels with tube amps, and stabbing forward with SS amps.
Marshall may be too big of a company to be able to mass produce amps of the Bogner and Diezel level. I don't even want to know what it would cost for a Marshall built to compete with them.
 
Re: Played some great amps today. Diezel, Soldano, Bad Cat.

I know a guy who plays around town who has a Bad Cat, and it is a very nice sounding amp. But, I got to tell you, just like I told him...

He came to a jam session one night and he'd borrowed a friend's Marshall DSL 401....

And of course, everyone agreed,...the little Marshall was the better sounding amp. No doubt about, the Bad Cat had a very nice sweet tone and it was very obvious why these are such popular amps. What nobody expected was that the DSL 401 had an agressive, snarling tone that was perfect for the rompin' stompin' "road house-style blues" he plays.

His Bad Cat is beautifully made and sounds great. But I think that particular night, he sold a bunch of Marshall DSL 401s!

Bill
 
Re: Played some great amps today. Diezel, Soldano, Bad Cat.

I'd love to play that Bad Cat Custom 15/30. I had a really bad experience with an EL-34 Hot Cat 30 and I'm wondering if it was just that one amp they make that didn't match my style. That HC30 had the worst master volume I've ever heard in an amp and the clean/overdrive channel just couldn't be matched anywhere remotely close to each other in volume along with the fact that the hyper interactive controls made tweaking on the fly almost impossible.

I think GJ is right on with Bogner's description. Reinhold managed to design a power amp section that sounds cranked at any volume. I was playing my 80w Shiva at low talking volumes late last night and it still sounded great! That's what I call an effective master volume!

I've been telling you about those Grosh guitars GJ, glad you got to try one for yourself ;) Now sell your stupid American Strats and get a real boutique guitar.... just j/k :D The retro classic is just the classic strat with more attention (aka, hand tapped woods for maximum resonance, the best fretwork of possibly anyone else out there today AND Don actually personally answers the phone and offers good customer service). And Joe, if you like the pickups that are in that Grosh and trust my judgement, you owe yourself to getting a set of WCR "SR" pickups... I guarantee you'll be floored.
 
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i thought this would fit this thread since it covers some amps mentioned and i think showcases their gain capabilities (no not crazy metal) well and sound killer.

this was posted by a person on the HRI forums of his band and i have nothing to do with it other than liking the tone and the song for that matter...

right side Diezel Herbert on ch 2+ through a MD421 and C414 combo of mics w/PRS McCarty, other guitar is a Les paul through a Bad Cat Hot Cat 30, bogner 4x12 and vox wah

http://www.myspace.com/burningparisrocks



oh and GJ, i though about selling 2 or 3 of my amps and getting the herbert but i just can't bring myself to get rid of multiple amps for one with a price that just scares me LOL. one day i will own a herbert, i know it, i just have to stop analyzing the price and just do it!!

-Mike
 
Re: Played some great amps today. Diezel, Soldano, Bad Cat.

I cannot remember which one I played, but it was a 15W BadCat combo, and i was throughly unimpressed (especially for over 2K). I had the thing wide open (well almost wide open), and it just sounded like a slightly ballsier Vox to me..still kind of loose with a bit more "oomph" than a typical Vox.... but not Marshall-like at all really. After hearing all the talk about them on the net I was really disappointed. This was a combo though. perhaps the head and cab w/ right speakers would make a big dif.

That said, I just don't dig many El-84 amps period, so take that FWIW.

And I'm in agreeance regarding the Soldano. I'm not a big 6L6 fan, but Soldano (at least the SLO) is a different animal.

Great report Joe....
 
Re: Played some great amps today. Diezel, Soldano, Bad Cat.

I liked the Bad Cat I tried. But, for the price was just not seeing the cost-tone ratio for me.
 
Re: Played some great amps today. Diezel, Soldano, Bad Cat.

If you keep in mind what Matchless and Bad Cat are all about, the Vox on steroids comparison holds pretty true. If you love the AC15 and want a more ruggedized, slightly ballsier version, those companies make it.

Different strokes for different folks. I dig these tones a lot.
 
Re: Played some great amps today. Diezel, Soldano, Bad Cat.

I like the Diezels, but they kinda remind me of that focused Boogie tone, not really ready to go to a gig with that and NO Marshalls. I really realized it when I heard Neil Schon playing them. Great amps.

I LOVED THE VHTs, they are as toneful as a Marshall, but they have more. They are HIGH GAIN AND BROWN at the same time. I can't say enough good about them as High Gain amps. I only liked the Bogner XTC Classic more.

As far as the Soldanos, the jury is out, for me personally, but we all now they are amazing amps!
 
Re: Played some great amps today. Diezel, Soldano, Bad Cat.

One thing about the Bad Cat is there's a few 15W models, and some are voiced more like an AC-15. This one that I tried was the Hot Cat version, so it was designed for gain. I agree with some of the posts about it being too expensive for what it offers. Single channel amps have to be something that's exactly YOUR tone, or else they simply aren't worth that kind of money. The channel switchers are versatile enough to justify big money.......although these prices are starting to get ridiculous.....used CAR prices!
 
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