Please advise me on H-S-H wiring with a 5-way super switch

[Chuck_Norris]

Yesterday I tried a new wiring on my H-S-H Ibanez but since I'm not an expert, I didn't succeed. My idea was:

1. Neck (full HB)
2. Neck (parallel)
3. Neck (outer coil) + Middle
4. Neck (full HB) + Bridge (full HB)
5. Bridge (full HB)

What gives me most of the trouble is the parallel wiring. I just can't figure out how it works with the 5-way super switch.

My guitar is an Ibanez S5470 with 1 master volume and 1 master tone.

Both HBs are Duncans. The middle one is Ibanez' Short Tracer (single conductor).

I'd highly appreciate any wiring diagrams or other useful advise.

My switch looks quite a lot like this one:

Thanks

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: Please advise me on H-S-H wiring with a 5-way super switch

Hello
most of what you want is with the neck pu
so lets dedicate two of the poles to the series connection
one to the the hot from the volume
one to the ground

now here the cross connects are purple
except at position three where it is blue
for your neck outside coil + middle
it may not be what you want
so there is a dotted line with and alternate wiring
for the inner coil ( in case of Phase problems and such)

you can use either/or but not both

 

[Chuck_Norris]

Re: Please advise me on H-S-H wiring with a 5-way super switch

Thank you very much for your time and advise! I'll try it out and tell you if it worked.

I'd really like to understand wiring and not just apply wiring diagrams. Some things are pretty easy and some are quite tricky. Where do you have your knowledge from? Is there a good source of information about guitar wiring on the web?

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: Please advise me on H-S-H wiring with a 5-way super switch

sure

the SD wiring
goes

black=start winding of north coil
white=finish winding of north coil
Red=finish winding of south coil
green=start winding of south coil

start/finish = think of a spool of thread
the start of the spool is underneath all that thread
the finish is the end you unwind to thread the needle with

the red/white are connected together
so that, in a series humbucker, the signal
goes round one coil clockwise and the other counter clockwise
this creates the hum canceling effect

on the drawing above

look at all the position ones

hot from volume>black of neck>white of neck>red of the next coil of neck>out to the grounded leg of neck

now position twos

hot from volume to both the black and the red of neck>now grounded white and aforementioned grounded leg


position 3

hot >.......
oh crap
messed that up
hang on

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: Please advise me on H-S-H wiring with a 5-way super switch

dang it I've taken another look at it
and that aint gonna work
if I jump the first four "hot to volumes" together for the neck
and then four and five for the bridge
they will all be hot all the time

let me redraw that
hang on

 

[Chuck_Norris]

Re: Please advise me on H-S-H wiring with a 5-way super switch

Good that you've found the mistake. You saved me a lot of time and frustration this evening. Thanks!

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: Please advise me on H-S-H wiring with a 5-way super switch

here we go

dang that looks much neater too

let me start over


on the drawing above

look at all the position ones

hot from volume>black of neck>white of neck>red of the next coil of neck>out to the grounded leg of neck

now position twos

hot from volume to both the black and the red of neck>now grounded white and aforementioned grounded leg


position 3

hot for your middle>to its ground
and hot from neck black > grounded white

position 4

hot for neck black>white>Red>ground
and hot for bridge black>series red/white conection>ground

positon 5

just your bridge


if you have phase troubles with the neck split + middle

we will remove the jumper between 2 & 3 on the White From Neck Pole
so that it isnt grounded anymore (just 3 on this pole would be grounded)

then we will make another jump from 2 on Red From Neck Pole to 2 on the bottom right Hot from volume pole

this would make the black from neck not get to ground
while the red would pickup a hot
that will give us the hot to neck red>to ground
(the adjustable coil)

wait thats what you wanted
the outside neck and the middle

dang it

hang on

ok this one gives you the other coil

one of em is gonna be out of phase

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: Please advise me on H-S-H wiring with a 5-way super switch

dang you done moved from Switzerland to Oklahoma whilst I be drawing

so the stock pickups

hot grinder and some such, right
those are supposed to be some nice ones

what happened?

 

[Chuck_Norris]

Re: Please advise me on H-S-H wiring with a 5-way super switch

Thanks again! I really appreciate your help. Now I'll do the soldering job and then I'll report you whether it worked or not.

 

[Chuck_Norris]

Re: Please advise me on H-S-H wiring with a 5-way super switch

Chuck Norris is everywhere

The Hot Grinders lacked bottom end heaviness and personality. To my disappointment the Full Shreds weren't much better... I'm still looking for the right combo in that guitar.

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: Please advise me on H-S-H wiring with a 5-way super switch

I put a JB/Jazz set in my RG2
it does the classic rock sounds effortlessly

you say you got the Full Shred set?

what sounds are you trying to get?

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: Please advise me on H-S-H wiring with a 5-way super switch

hmm
the Grinders look like
CrunchLab/LiquidFire knockoffs to me
maybe a magnet change is in order

A8 in the bridge and an A4 in the neck

wake em up

you got a meter?

could ya get me a DC resistance reading on them grinders?

please?

 

[zakk_speed]

Re: Please advise me on H-S-H wiring with a 5-way super switch

I have a few S- guitars, I found the customs work well in them and other mohog shredders. I'd look at a Custom-5 and a 59 neck to begin with and mag-swap from there. A 59 in parallel in the neck is nice, and the other combinations you have in your switching would work well. PGn is good too though not quite as nice in parallel.

Then you can tune with magswaps : Custom-8 is mighty in an S, and UOA5 59/custom give a real nice vintage rock tone.

 

[TheLivingDead]

Re: Please advise me on H-S-H wiring with a 5-way super switch

That's gonna be pretty sweet! I love super 5-ways.

 

[Chuck_Norris]

Re: Please advise me on H-S-H wiring with a 5-way super switch

Hey ehdwould

I applied the last wiring diagram you've given me and the result was pretty intersting:

1. Neck(full HB)
2. Neck (parallel)
3. Neck (coil tap) + Middle but there is a phase issue I guess 'cause the sound is really weak and silent. Gonna check it this evening.
4. Neck + Bridge (sounds like out of phase to me, very nice sound!)
5. Bridge (full HB)

I definitely need to rewire position 3 'cause there's something wrong with it. Position 4 is pretty cool actually, it has some Peter Greenish vibe to it And it's actually extremely tight! It's about 10x tighter than just the FS bridge if you can imagine that. Position 2 is pretty similar to pos 1, just has less bass and a tad more treble but the difference is pretty subtle. I like it for colder sounding cleans.

Unfortunately, I ain't got a meter. Sorry.

Well soundwise, I'm looking for and fat and chunky metal rhythm tone with big bass and prominent low mids (some people on this forum recommended the Alt 8) and a singing musical lead tone which is pretty hard to get out of high output pickups. My main preference is the rhythm tone though.

My favorite pu for metal rhythm work so far is the SH-6 (in B standard) but I'm concerned that it migh be too bright and lack some lows and low mids in my Ibby.

My favorite PUs for leads are actually the stock MK3 in my Tokai They sing with unrivaled authority and are surprisigly articulate for being PAF replicas. Unfortunately, they tend to howl under high gain (perhaps I should remove the covers).

My dream is to combine both worlds if it is possible.

 

[Chuck_Norris]

Re: Please advise me on H-S-H wiring with a 5-way super switch

zakk speed

Please tell me more about the Custom and the 59. Would you recommend them for my purposes?

 

[ehdwuld]

Re: Please advise me on H-S-H wiring with a 5-way super switch

in post 7
use the the other diagram

so you're liking all but position 3?

cool

if you want position four to have
less "Peter Green"
reverse the hot and ground on the
bridge pu

 

[Chuck_Norris]

Re: Please advise me on H-S-H wiring with a 5-way super switch

I'll try it out. Thanks again.