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Rand-O-Monium
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Hope it works out for you,truly a lovely axe!!!
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Hope it works out for you,truly a lovely axe!!!
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I like the 60s neck.. I cant stand the fat clubby 50s neck. I actually have a hard time with the assymetrical neck on my blue LP as its almost too fat a the top.
I like the 60s neck.. I cant stand the fat clubby 50s neck. I actually have a hard time with the assymetrical neck on my blue LP as its almost too fat a the top.
JeffB
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Thanks Brosephs!
I have been working with some new exercises ( whyisuckatguitar.com ) to reduce hand tension and its going pretty well, my plan is to keep it if all continues to go well through the weekend..I have until monday to make up my mind.
I hope it does go well cos this is a great playing, great sounding production Les Paul, not to mention looks awesome AFAIC. Its not the monster my R8 was, but it compares favorably with the old 89/90 ish black standard that was my main squeeze for several years BITD.
Thanks Brosephs!
I have been working with some new exercises ( whyisuckatguitar.com ) to reduce hand tension and its going pretty well, my plan is to keep it if all continues to go well through the weekend..I have until monday to make up my mind.
I hope it does go well cos this is a great playing, great sounding production Les Paul, not to mention looks awesome AFAIC. Its not the monster my R8 was, but it compares favorably with the old 89/90 ish black standard that was my main squeeze for several years BITD.
JeffB
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It wasn't always for me, but over the past 7 or 8 years it has become my fave too. For me it has to be that teardrop shape, and little to no brown. Very typical of late 60s Gibsons.
It wasn't always for me, but over the past 7 or 8 years it has become my fave too. For me it has to be that teardrop shape, and little to no brown. Very typical of late 60s Gibsons.
RorySquier
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That's a really nice guitar and congratulations on this lovely axe. I always have a hard time explain to the wife why I want to buy another guitar. She says you have lots...why do you need another one? She simply doesn't understand G.A.S. Next time I get the urge to buy another guitar, the wife says I'll have to sell one of my other ones since now I'm up to 19 guitars. I hope there's enough room underneath the bed.
The finish on your guitar looks flawless like you mentioned and sunburst looks great and you can see the wood grains nicely. I love Les Paul guitars...I find them better balanced than an SG.:scratchch:eyecrazy:
That's a really nice guitar and congratulations on this lovely axe. I always have a hard time explain to the wife why I want to buy another guitar. She says you have lots...why do you need another one? She simply doesn't understand G.A.S. Next time I get the urge to buy another guitar, the wife says I'll have to sell one of my other ones since now I'm up to 19 guitars. I hope there's enough room underneath the bed.
The finish on your guitar looks flawless like you mentioned and sunburst looks great and you can see the wood grains nicely. I love Les Paul guitars...I find them better balanced than an SG.:scratchch:eyecrazy:
JeffB
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Wow. 19? I would be pushing daisies with 19, these days
When I was younger and single there were times when I had 5 or 6 laying around at one time. But volume wise since I started I have owned a bunch...i figure well over 50. Over the years I have become the "i would rather have 2 or 3 extremely high quality guitars, than 10 good guitars" guy. Mybrother is the opposite, he prefers to have a wide variety of guits, of moderate price....he has a few MIK gretsches, a MIJ gretsch acoustic, a warmoth tele, some MIJ hollowbody stuff from the 70s, an epiphone I think, maybe 2, a handful of acoustics, a bass, and the family heirloom-1954 ES125. I know Iam forgetting some, lol.
Wow. 19? I would be pushing daisies with 19, these days
When I was younger and single there were times when I had 5 or 6 laying around at one time. But volume wise since I started I have owned a bunch...i figure well over 50. Over the years I have become the "i would rather have 2 or 3 extremely high quality guitars, than 10 good guitars" guy. Mybrother is the opposite, he prefers to have a wide variety of guits, of moderate price....he has a few MIK gretsches, a MIJ gretsch acoustic, a warmoth tele, some MIJ hollowbody stuff from the 70s, an epiphone I think, maybe 2, a handful of acoustics, a bass, and the family heirloom-1954 ES125. I know Iam forgetting some, lol.
RorySquier
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I've been playing guitar for over 25 years now and the first 10 years I only had 3 guitars...'89 Yamaha RGX Custom, a '91 Gibson SG Special and a Takamine classical acoustic. My RGX was a big ticket item for me at the time ($2,000) which I chose over a $4,000+ Gibson Les Paul '59 Reissue with a such a beauty top. The Yamaha had more features for the money and it's such a well-built, well-playing guitar, but I still think of that '59 RI LP.
I set up my SG for slide guitar, but I wasn't really into slide at all. All those years I was pretty happy with what I had, but then I started noticing some good deals in some of the pawn shops in the area. This was around the late 1990's and that's when my G.A.S. started developing at a rapid pace. I even bought my '98 American Standard Strat (pictured in my avatar) at a pawn with case included for about a grand in 2005. I got infected with Tele fever back in 2006 which costed me another 2k. I have about 9 Strats and 5 are Squiers. You can say I have a mixture of high-end guitars mixed with lower-end ones. Most of the Squiers and other guitars are project guitars that I hope to sell off some day. I plan on keeping a few project guitars which will have some Seymour D pickups in them. I like the variety in guitars with different pickups and different tunings, but I'm always stuck on one style of tuning...I can't break out of the mold.:banghead: I just bought my first & second Les Pauls last year and now I'm infected with LP fever. I wouldn't mind picking up a used LP Standard for a fair price, maybe a fix-it upper. Do you want to trade your LP for a modded Squier...no?:scratchch:naughty:
Wow. 19? I would be pushing daisies with 19, these days
When I was younger and single there were times when I had 5 or 6 laying around at one time. But volume wise since I started I have owned a bunch...i figure well over 50. Over the years I have become the "i would rather have 2 or 3 extremely high quality guitars, than 10 good guitars" guy. Mybrother is the opposite, he prefers to have a wide variety of guits, of moderate price....he has a few MIK gretsches, a MIJ gretsch acoustic, a warmoth tele, some MIJ hollowbody stuff from the 70s, an epiphone I think, maybe 2, a handful of acoustics, a bass, and the family heirloom-1954 ES125. I know Iam forgetting some, lol.
I've been playing guitar for over 25 years now and the first 10 years I only had 3 guitars...'89 Yamaha RGX Custom, a '91 Gibson SG Special and a Takamine classical acoustic. My RGX was a big ticket item for me at the time ($2,000) which I chose over a $4,000+ Gibson Les Paul '59 Reissue with a such a beauty top. The Yamaha had more features for the money and it's such a well-built, well-playing guitar, but I still think of that '59 RI LP.
I set up my SG for slide guitar, but I wasn't really into slide at all. All those years I was pretty happy with what I had, but then I started noticing some good deals in some of the pawn shops in the area. This was around the late 1990's and that's when my G.A.S. started developing at a rapid pace. I even bought my '98 American Standard Strat (pictured in my avatar) at a pawn with case included for about a grand in 2005. I got infected with Tele fever back in 2006 which costed me another 2k. I have about 9 Strats and 5 are Squiers. You can say I have a mixture of high-end guitars mixed with lower-end ones. Most of the Squiers and other guitars are project guitars that I hope to sell off some day. I plan on keeping a few project guitars which will have some Seymour D pickups in them. I like the variety in guitars with different pickups and different tunings, but I'm always stuck on one style of tuning...I can't break out of the mold.:banghead: I just bought my first & second Les Pauls last year and now I'm infected with LP fever. I wouldn't mind picking up a used LP Standard for a fair price, maybe a fix-it upper. Do you want to trade your LP for a modded Squier...no?:scratchch:naughty:
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Gearjoneser
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It's a nice looking guitar, but I'm trying to understand the situation. Did you buy it new and have their return policy? Did you get a really good price on it, which is causing you to overlook some details like the neck profile, electronics, and odd new frets? I'm just wondering.
I like the guitar, and it suits you, but I'm wondering if you could go back and swap it for a Traditional Standard or something. You seem a bit 'on the fence' with this one. And there's a lot of good Gibsons on clearance out there right now.
It's a nice looking guitar, but I'm trying to understand the situation. Did you buy it new and have their return policy? Did you get a really good price on it, which is causing you to overlook some details like the neck profile, electronics, and odd new frets? I'm just wondering.
I like the guitar, and it suits you, but I'm wondering if you could go back and swap it for a Traditional Standard or something. You seem a bit 'on the fence' with this one. And there's a lot of good Gibsons on clearance out there right now.
JeffB
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Good questions Joe.
Yes, new with return policy,.but not for any amazing price. Going rate. The boost is not a make or break thing for me. Nor are the coil splits.
I found myself really wanting/needing a neck pickup, as my 335S only has one. I was not able to find a decent sounding used 335 locally, or Les Paul old standard or trad and will not buy used unless I can play first for that kind of investment. New memphis dots with return policy were beyond the budget by about $1000, and new Traditionals by $500. So, it came down to highest quality Gibson ES or Les Paul with 2 buckers in my price range.
I actually have come to prefer no binding nibs over the past couple of years, from a playing standpoint.
So I gambled on this just to see what it was like,.and I love it. Plays awesome,.sounds great AND it looks righteous. I have decided to keep it, as I am getting used to the neck. I played for about 30 min today with no pain at all,.which is pretty significant...usually about 4-5 minutes is my limit before my hand really starts to hurt.
Good questions Joe.
Yes, new with return policy,.but not for any amazing price. Going rate. The boost is not a make or break thing for me. Nor are the coil splits.
I found myself really wanting/needing a neck pickup, as my 335S only has one. I was not able to find a decent sounding used 335 locally, or Les Paul old standard or trad and will not buy used unless I can play first for that kind of investment. New memphis dots with return policy were beyond the budget by about $1000, and new Traditionals by $500. So, it came down to highest quality Gibson ES or Les Paul with 2 buckers in my price range.
I actually have come to prefer no binding nibs over the past couple of years, from a playing standpoint.
So I gambled on this just to see what it was like,.and I love it. Plays awesome,.sounds great AND it looks righteous. I have decided to keep it, as I am getting used to the neck. I played for about 30 min today with no pain at all,.which is pretty significant...usually about 4-5 minutes is my limit before my hand really starts to hurt.
Gearjoneser
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I used to be pretty adamant about 50's necks on Gibsons, mostly because the 60's Classic necks were too thin and flat on the back. But in the last 10 years or so, the 60's necks have gotten an improved profile.
I play the heck out of my 335's, and they usually come with a comfy 60's neck. Now I'm used to both profiles.
I'm kind of glad Gibson is offering coil splitting as a common feature nowadays. It should have always been like that IMO.
I used to be pretty adamant about 50's necks on Gibsons, mostly because the 60's Classic necks were too thin and flat on the back. But in the last 10 years or so, the 60's necks have gotten an improved profile.
I play the heck out of my 335's, and they usually come with a comfy 60's neck. Now I'm used to both profiles.
I'm kind of glad Gibson is offering coil splitting as a common feature nowadays. It should have always been like that IMO.
RorySquier
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I hate nibs!:angryfire I'm glad Gibson finally got rid of them on their 120th anniversary. I frequent the guitar store as a ritual and I'm always playing a lot of high-end Les Pauls. I notice the nibs vary on each guitar. Some are not too bad, but some are just too square and annoying when playing up and down the fretboard. I find nibs subtly restricting and a under-handed corporate attempt to box in your artistic expression as a whole...but that's just MHO.
I hate nibs!:angryfire I'm glad Gibson finally got rid of them on their 120th anniversary.
I frequent the guitar store as a ritual and I'm always playing a lot of high-end Les Pauls. I notice the nibs vary on each guitar. Some are not too bad, but some are just too square and annoying when playing up and down the fretboard. I find nibs subtly restricting and a under-handed corporate attempt to box in your artistic expression as a whole...but that's just MHO.
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"Oh, no, honey! I ordered that Saint Laurent bag you wanted, but they sent this guitar thing by mistake. Oh, well -- I guess I'm stuck with it."
"Oh, no, honey! I ordered that Saint Laurent bag you wanted, but they sent this guitar thing by mistake. Oh, well -- I guess I'm stuck with it."
JeffB
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I think the nibs are a Gibson hallmark, but I get both sides of the argument. There was a time when I felt having them was quite important. On a Historic I would still want them.
That said, Dean USAs rolled binding is miles better than any Hamer or Gibson fret edge binding. Very well done and comfy.
I think the nibs are a Gibson hallmark, but I get both sides of the argument. There was a time when I felt having them was quite important. On a Historic I would still want them.
That said, Dean USAs rolled binding is miles better than any Hamer or Gibson fret edge binding. Very well done and comfy.
RayBarbeeMusic
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Not only are they plekking everything now, but they are doing it right. There are a few companies out there with Factory Plek machines, I've seen some pretty craptastic work from most of them. Gibson has it figured out though. I used to run a Plek and its just a cnc file for all intents; if you don't understand how to do good fretwork you won't be able to program a good dress, and it will happily do really stupid things.
I bought 5 Gibsons in the past few months, all had astounding fret work (and I'm a picky mfer), and none cost me more than $725 brand new; 4 were under $600. That's a real factory plekked (correctly) Gibson LP, not an Epi. A lot of people turned their noses up at the lower priced LPs thinking they were made cheap just because they cost cheap, and that was a silly assumption... The two LPJs I bought are outstanding, as are the 2 60s tribs and the future trib, and I have the custom shop historics and LPPPs to compare them to. Also the rubbed thin finish lets the wood really ring. A few of the big boy retailers were blowing them out the last couple months, if you missed it, kick yourself.
All the haters out there should clue in. Gibson is making FANTASTIC USA made guitars for import prices, and the playability and fretwork is hands down the best I'm seeing from any manufacturer (and working on them for a living, I see a lot, including from other companies that claim to factory Plek, mostly with mediocre results). You can still spend $6k on a R9 if you want, but honestly mostly what you're getting for your extra $5000 or so is flash. The LPJs stand right up to my R0 and are in no way "less" of a LP, except for the $. They sound as good (but a bit different), play as good, the fretwork is as good, etc. In comparison to anything in the price range, they are so far beyond its not even sane. In comparison to very expensive things from other brands, I'll say this: I had no problem buying 3 of those 5 sight unseen and expecting outstanding fretwork. I can't do that with any other brand, at any price.
Not only are they plekking everything now, but they are doing it right. There are a few companies out there with Factory Plek machines, I've seen some pretty craptastic work from most of them. Gibson has it figured out though. I used to run a Plek and its just a cnc file for all intents; if you don't understand how to do good fretwork you won't be able to program a good dress, and it will happily do really stupid things.
I bought 5 Gibsons in the past few months, all had astounding fret work (and I'm a picky mfer), and none cost me more than $725 brand new; 4 were under $600. That's a real factory plekked (correctly) Gibson LP, not an Epi. A lot of people turned their noses up at the lower priced LPs thinking they were made cheap just because they cost cheap, and that was a silly assumption... The two LPJs I bought are outstanding, as are the 2 60s tribs and the future trib, and I have the custom shop historics and LPPPs to compare them to. Also the rubbed thin finish lets the wood really ring. A few of the big boy retailers were blowing them out the last couple months, if you missed it, kick yourself.
All the haters out there should clue in. Gibson is making FANTASTIC USA made guitars for import prices, and the playability and fretwork is hands down the best I'm seeing from any manufacturer (and working on them for a living, I see a lot, including from other companies that claim to factory Plek, mostly with mediocre results). You can still spend $6k on a R9 if you want, but honestly mostly what you're getting for your extra $5000 or so is flash. The LPJs stand right up to my R0 and are in no way "less" of a LP, except for the $. They sound as good (but a bit different), play as good, the fretwork is as good, etc. In comparison to anything in the price range, they are so far beyond its not even sane. In comparison to very expensive things from other brands, I'll say this: I had no problem buying 3 of those 5 sight unseen and expecting outstanding fretwork. I can't do that with any other brand, at any price.
RorySquier
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Now you're talking...I think Dean guitars are exceptional pieces of fine craftsmanship!:bigok: Have you ever checked out DBZ guitars? DBZ=Dean B. Zelinsky.
I can feel you're bargain Gibson love.:10: I bought my '08 LP Studio last February for a financing deal of $899. I know Studios can go up to $1,500 or more, so I feel good about not paying a high exorbitant amount of $$$ for a working man's version of a Les Paul guitar.:14: I assume there's a factory plek on this guitar, and if there is, is done quite nicely. This guitar sounds very resonant and it topped off the other more expensive Custom Shop LP's that I've also played in the store through a Fender Hot Rod Deville amplifier. The Studio just jumped out in sound & tone and I couldn't resist. I didn't even plan on buying a guitar that day, but I couldn't resist and I eventually caved in to my inner desires. My wife eventually found out about my purchase which I sincerely forgot to mention to her.:scratchch I shouldn't have used my debit card...a dead giveaway.:naughty:
Now you're talking...I think Dean guitars are exceptional pieces of fine craftsmanship!:bigok: Have you ever checked out DBZ guitars? DBZ=Dean B. Zelinsky.
I can feel you're bargain Gibson love.:10: I bought my '08 LP Studio last February for a financing deal of $899.
I know Studios can go up to $1,500 or more, so I feel good about not paying a high exorbitant amount of $$$ for a working man's version of a Les Paul guitar.:14: I assume there's a factory plek on this guitar, and if there is, is done quite nicely. This guitar sounds very resonant and it topped off the other more expensive Custom Shop LP's that I've also played in the store through a Fender Hot Rod Deville amplifier. The Studio just jumped out in sound & tone and I couldn't resist. I didn't even plan on buying a guitar that day, but I couldn't resist and I eventually caved in to my inner desires. My wife eventually found out about my purchase which I sincerely forgot to mention to her.:scratchch I shouldn't have used my debit card...a dead giveaway.:naughty:
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