Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

[orpheo]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

IF there is enough room to intonate the saddles IF mounted properly, I'd plug and redrill the neck. IF there's not enough space, I'd shave off the end of the neck and fretboard.

Titebond is a better type of wood glue than your regular, run of the mill glue.

I wouldn't mix sawdust and glue. That's just dodgy and bad construction. Use a block as a neck stopper, If necessary, find a small strip of spring steel and screw that in place (as well). Sawdust + glue is a combination of materials that don't belong in guitarbuilding, imho. It's like Bondo; just don't.

 

[greekdude]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

I have used this : http://www.bison.net/en/products/651-wood-glues/product/2217-super-wood-glue/ with great sucess. Great strength. (it comes from your country, I think) Also there is this greek brand : http://www.durostick.gr/index.php?p...=138&Itemid=435&option=com_virtuemart&lang=el also a fantastic product. When I tried to break wood glued with bison super wood glue it didn't break on the glued line but elsewhere.
Fot the intented purpose : gluing the dowels in, any decent wood glue would suffice.

Now for the pocket stoppers. That's a tough one. The idea of the steel strip is a good one aparently, but I don't like the fact that it deviates away from the reference design. The only solution tested upto now is epoxy putty. But it has a problem, it hardens way too fast, and is not elastic, hence I threw this about mixing epoxy (NOT GLUE) with sawdust, in an attempt to create some elasticity.

Another idea is the new generation of water-based wood puttys which seem to get better and better. Titebond wood filler is one of them. If anything, I will use the guilt I created on the Polish and Czech housewives, maybe connect with them on linked in, and ask them to send me some of this wood filler for free.

 

[kramersteen]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

Who wants to make a bet?

 

[Brian Griffin]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

I believe Steve Vai doesn't even use this damn guitar. Hell..he doesn't even play seven-strings anymore does he? In fact, I doubt if I ever see him playing the seafoam green Jem, which is made in the same factory as the UV70P.


I think the indo Ibanezes are like a hit or miss. My RG3XXV came with the wiring soldered wrong. I was lucky it was only the wiring. And this with all the QC inspection card signed and stamped (complete with the inspectors name).

 

[Brian Griffin]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

The worst case scenario, you can salvage the parts and sell them on eBay or sell the whole guitar for whatever money you can get. Didn't you get it with like 300-euro discount?

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

I believe Steve Vai doesn't even use this damn guitar. Hell..he doesn't even play seven-strings anymore does he? In fact, I doubt if I ever see him playing the seafoam green Jem, which is made in the same factory as the UV70P.

Yes he plays 7's...i saw him live last year and he had 2 that he played a white one with the vine inlay that looks much like his evo or flo but in 7 string and another one that was black with mirrored pickguard and disappearing pyramid inlays. I havent seen him use the black with green dots model in years. But hes never played production line guitars anyways his stuffs always been out of Ibanez's custom shop.

 

[Brian Griffin]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

Yes he plays 7's...i saw him live last year and he had 2 that he played a white one with the vine inlay that looks much like his evo or flo but in 7 string and another one that was black with mirrored pickguard and disappearing pyramid inlays. I havent seen him use the black with green dots model in years. But hes never played production line guitars anyways his stuffs always been out of Ibanez's custom shop.

Must be during "Bad Horsie" with the original Japanese Universe but definitely not this one. The tremolo isn't even to his liking (the original Edge).

 

[greekdude]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

I believe Steve Vai doesn't even use this damn guitar. Hell..he doesn't even play seven-strings anymore does he? In fact, I doubt if I ever see him playing the seafoam green Jem, which is made in the same factory as the UV70P.

I dont care about Steve Vai. I just wanted a 7-string super strat with HSH pup configuration, and it was the only one at this price range. + It looks like the one of my teacher back in 1991.

I think the indo Ibanezes are like a hit or miss. My RG3XXV came with the wiring soldered wrong. I was lucky it was only the wiring. And this with all the QC inspection card signed and stamped (complete with the inspectors name).

The guitar itself is astonishing. (ok I admit, I take it out of the case occasionally). Fantastic feel, weight, ergonomy, tone, harmonics, fretwork. Its like I am playing a 6-string. Most probably I will leave the guitar in this state (very playable and good sounding) till I decide to do the neck mount fix, when the guitar is gonna go from "very stable" to "ultra stable".

 

[Brian Griffin]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

Greekdude: I once removed the neck from the body of my Ibanez RGA and there was simply no stopper (as you call it) in the neck pocket, unlike Fender bodies.

 

[Brian Griffin]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

I dont care about Steve Vai. I just wanted a 7-string super strat with HSH pup configuration, and it was the only one at this price range. + It looks like the one of my teacher back in 1991.

I meant it's a shame that a guitar endorsed by Stevie turned out to be problematic.

 

[orpheo]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

A steel strip is the only thing that's solid enough while being narrow enough to fit, to act as a 'stopper'. and why do you wanna use sawdust? haven't you read anything I've written? I spoke with other luthier friends of mine and they all laugh their ass off when I mention 'sawdust', only to shake their head afterwards. Also, epoxy doesn't harden that fast if you mix it properly. Using regular glue will be way too pliable. It isn't designed (to begin with) to be a solid piece of whatever. It functions as a film to adhere two pieces of wood or whatever. Just, don't do it that way.

 

[Brian Griffin]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

So all this exhaustive thread when the solution is simply moving the neck a few millimeters backward and voila! You get perfect intonation and firmly ensconced neck pickup?

 

[greekdude]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

Greekdude: I once removed the neck from the body of my Ibanez RGA and there was simply no stopper (as you call it) in the neck pocket, unlike Fender bodies.

It seems you are right judging from those pics. In others I have seen in the net, the stoppers seem to be there, abeit tiny :

If they could hold the neck in full tension without the screws, or collapse in seconds is smth I dont know. However, just for the sake of completeness I might try to create smth equivalent with expoxy wood putty, after things have taken their final shape. Similar dimension epoxy "lugs" that I have tested, have been able to hold some force of 20-30 Kg. I guess 2 of them should prove enough for the 50 Kg of tension on the 7 string. However this is just an extra measure, assisting the screws and nothing more.

 

[greekdude]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

haven't you read anything I've written?

I read once that you were supposed to be "done" with this thread. I mostly ignore your posts.

 

[Brian Griffin]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

When I removed the neck from my RGA, there was no stopper at all. The pic was there for illustration.

The neck pocket of my RGA looked exactly like yours. The end of the neck was exposed. And the neck, despite the 4 screws having been removed, was kinda stuck very tightly to the neck pocket. I could actually hold the guitar on the neck without the body falling off.

ANd why the **** do you need a stopper anyway? Is there even a purpose for one?

 

[greekdude]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

When I removed the neck from my RGA, there was no stopper at all. The pic was there for illustration.

The neck pocket of my RGA looked exactly like yours. The end of the neck was exposed. And the neck, despite the 4 screws having been removed, was kinda stuck very tightly to the neck pocket. I could actually hold the guitar on the neck without the body falling off.

ANd why the **** do you need a stopper anyway? Is there even a purpose for one?

I guess for extra stability. My Strat suffered when the stopper had broken. After it was repaired with strong wood glue, it improved in stability and sustain. But this AANJ stoppers are so tiny that they wont do much. Who knows? If anything, if they were there, even as just a nominal presence of reference, it would be enough to prevent those guys in Indonesian plant from drilling and mounting it wrong.

 

[kramersteen]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

Man some retarded things have been said in this thread. \

Maybe use blutac as stoppers and hold the neck on with silly string?

 

[greekdude]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

Man some retarded things have been said in this thread. \

Maybe use blutac as stoppers and hold the neck on with silly string?

Epoxy has been used in marine, aerospace and ship building industries for decades. Some little steve vai guitar won't scare it away. Dude, just go on your local hardware store, buy some 2-part epoxy putty and go test on some spare wood. Then tell me what you think. I have tried this :

and this is harder than wood.
Reason why they dont use epoxy to replace wood entirely (in certain applications), is because wood is cheaper.

The mixing with sawdust is mainly to give it some color, which is not needed in my case. Won't use any sawdust. Won't clear coat it either since it is well safe (in the cavity) from UV light. Opppsss did I just say UV? lol

 

[Edgecrusher]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

Who wants to make a bet?

Fubard to hell post abortion for 50 please

 

[kramersteen]

Re: Problem with Ibanez UV70p Thomann does not want to replace

Epoxy has been used in marine, aerospace and ship building industries for decades. Some gay little steve vai guitar won't scare it away. Dude, just go on your local hardware store, buy some 2-part epoxy putty and go test on some spare wood. Then tell me what you think. I have tried this :

and this is harder than wood.
Reason why they dont use epoxy to replace wood entirely (in certain applications), is because wood is cheaper.

The mixing with sawdust is mainly to give it some color, which is not needed in my case. Won't use any sawdust. Won't clear coat it either since it is well safe (in the cavity) from UV light. Opppsss did I just say UV? lol

I wasnt talking about that jsut overall. i actually have a guitar neck here with an epoxy skunk stripe.