PRS Dragon II's vs Duncans, tell me about them?
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Funkfingers
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Re: PRS Dragon II's vs Duncans, tell me about them?
To the best of my recollection, PRS Dragon IIs are McCarty HBs without the metal cover. They have an element of the "rudeness" that I associate with the SD Pearly Gates.
To the best of my recollection, PRS Dragon IIs are McCarty HBs without the metal cover. They have an element of the "rudeness" that I associate with the SD Pearly Gates.
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wolf5150
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Re: PRS Dragon II's vs Duncans, tell me about them?
Couldn't you at least have TRIED to find out some info before posting total nonsense ?????????????? :banghead:
Here you go mate, direct from the PRS website
" Dragon II Treble: Stock on Custom 22s, CE 22s and Standard 22s. The nickel silver cover and months of tweaking have resulted in an alnico pickup with McCarty like tones and a little more output "
Couldn't you at least have TRIED to find out some info before posting total nonsense ?????????????? :banghead:
Here you go mate, direct from the PRS website
" Dragon II Treble: Stock on Custom 22s, CE 22s and Standard 22s. The nickel silver cover and months of tweaking have resulted in an alnico pickup with McCarty like tones and a little more output "
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wolf5150
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Re: PRS Dragon II's vs Duncans, tell me about them?
By the way, they are very middly sounding.
PRS was trying to achieve a signature tone in those days and the Dragon 2 was his vision of that tone.
My best mate, who builds amazing Les Pauls loves them in his creations, but I swapped them out of my PRS quite quickly and went with a more open sounding pickup.
Personally I find them tonally limited.
They are NOTHING like the Pearly Gates... nor anything else in the Duncan line.
I've actually owned them and still hear them a lot because I do the sound for my mate's band and we're always discussing his narrow tonal range... he loves it, I don't . :scratchch
By the way, they are very middly sounding.
PRS was trying to achieve a signature tone in those days and the Dragon 2 was his vision of that tone.
My best mate, who builds amazing Les Pauls loves them in his creations, but I swapped them out of my PRS quite quickly and went with a more open sounding pickup.
Personally I find them tonally limited.
They are NOTHING like the Pearly Gates... nor anything else in the Duncan line.
I've actually owned them and still hear them a lot because I do the sound for my mate's band and we're always discussing his narrow tonal range... he loves it, I don't . :scratchch
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Funkfingers
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Re: PRS Dragon II's vs Duncans, tell me about them?
You are correct, oh, wise master. It was the Dragon 1 that was a coverless McCarty give or take "a few teeny changes".*
* SOURCE: p120 of The PRS Book by Tony Bacon. 1999.
You are correct, oh, wise master. It was the Dragon 1 that was a coverless McCarty give or take "a few teeny changes".*
* SOURCE: p120 of The PRS Book by Tony Bacon. 1999.
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wolf5150
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Re: PRS Dragon II's vs Duncans, tell me about them?
You seriously need to check your facts before posting crap.
The Mcarthy pickup didn't come until LONG after the Dragon 1.
The Dragon 1 was on the 1st Custom 22's and the Macarthy guitar and pickups were developed from that guitar... it was in fact the Dragon 1 NECK model that was used as the base for the Macarthy pickups.
" Dragon Treble: Not currently stock on any model. This pickup is fat with lots of clarity and sounds great clean or at high gain. A powerful ceramic magnet combined with a high number of turns produces a huge sound; good for driving high gain type amps. "
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" McCARTY MODEL: 1994 - 2007. First 100 signed and numbered, wide-fat 22-fret neck only, East coast maple top, 1/8th of an inch thicker mahogany back, stop-tail, vintage-style tuners, covered Dragon Bass PRS humbuckers, changed to McCarty Pickups in ’95 and now includes a push/pull coil-tap on the tone control, 3-way toggle pickup selector, East Indian Rosewood Neck option added in 1998 "
You seriously need to check your facts before posting crap.
The Mcarthy pickup didn't come until LONG after the Dragon 1.
The Dragon 1 was on the 1st Custom 22's and the Macarthy guitar and pickups were developed from that guitar... it was in fact the Dragon 1 NECK model that was used as the base for the Macarthy pickups.
" Dragon Treble: Not currently stock on any model. This pickup is fat with lots of clarity and sounds great clean or at high gain. A powerful ceramic magnet combined with a high number of turns produces a huge sound; good for driving high gain type amps. "
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" McCARTY MODEL: 1994 - 2007. First 100 signed and numbered, wide-fat 22-fret neck only, East coast maple top, 1/8th of an inch thicker mahogany back, stop-tail, vintage-style tuners, covered Dragon Bass PRS humbuckers, changed to McCarty Pickups in ’95 and now includes a push/pull coil-tap on the tone control, 3-way toggle pickup selector, East Indian Rosewood Neck option added in 1998 "
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wolf5150
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Re: PRS Dragon II's vs Duncans, tell me about them?
By the way, it took me all of 10 seconds to find out the facts before I posted.
Not exactly difficult !! :banghead:
By the way, it took me all of 10 seconds to find out the facts before I posted.
Not exactly difficult !! :banghead:
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Funkfingers
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Re: PRS Dragon II's vs Duncans, tell me about them?
Beg, borrow or steal a copy of this book. The pickup descriptions are there in black and white. The descriptions are Smith's own.
THE PRS GUITAR BOOK
by Dave Burrluck
Edited by Tony Bacon
A Balafon Book
Copyright 1999, Outline Press
Should still be available in paperback.
Beg, borrow or steal a copy of this book. The pickup descriptions are there in black and white. The descriptions are Smith's own.
THE PRS GUITAR BOOK
by Dave Burrluck
Edited by Tony Bacon
A Balafon Book
Copyright 1999, Outline Press
Should still be available in paperback.
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wolf5150
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Re: PRS Dragon II's vs Duncans, tell me about them?
I didn't get it from some book, I got it DIRECT from the PRS web site.
I didn't get it from some book, I got it DIRECT from the PRS web site.
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Funkfingers
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Re: PRS Dragon II's vs Duncans, tell me about them?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Prs-Guitar-...8982/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1295788960&sr=1-1
IMO, it would be fair to say that Paul Reed Smith had some personal involvement in the origination of this particular title. He was interviewed several times, provided personal archive materials for the biographical content and the company offered four CE22 Maple Top guitars in a promotional campaign for the original Limited Edition print run of 6000.
Looks as if the old boy is beginning to contradict himself.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Prs-Guitar-...8982/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1295788960&sr=1-1
IMO, it would be fair to say that Paul Reed Smith had some personal involvement in the origination of this particular title. He was interviewed several times, provided personal archive materials for the biographical content and the company offered four CE22 Maple Top guitars in a promotional campaign for the original Limited Edition print run of 6000.
Looks as if the old boy is beginning to contradict himself.
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wolf5150
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Re: PRS Dragon II's vs Duncans, tell me about them?
Let me get this right, you want me to buy some book just to prove I'm still right and you're still wrong ??
Isn't it easier for you to simply admit it ?
Why drag out an argument you've already lost ??
You were wrong, from the very 1st reply you gave... I'm simply advising you and everyone else to check your facts before you mislead a member.
I'm going to practice, not waste my day arguing.
Let me get this right, you want me to buy some book just to prove I'm still right and you're still wrong ??
Isn't it easier for you to simply admit it ?
Why drag out an argument you've already lost ??
You were wrong, from the very 1st reply you gave... I'm simply advising you and everyone else to check your facts before you mislead a member.
I'm going to practice, not waste my day arguing.
AudioWonderland
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Re: PRS Dragon II's vs Duncans, tell me about them?
NO. Not even close.
D2 bridge is about 14k and very midrange heavy. Similar in many respects to a CC. The neck is about 8k and is closer to a fatter sounding PG neck.
I wanna say they are A2 mags based on the sonics but I would need to check. PRS doesn't really publish their specs but they are out there
NO. Not even close.
D2 bridge is about 14k and very midrange heavy. Similar in many respects to a CC. The neck is about 8k and is closer to a fatter sounding PG neck.
I wanna say they are A2 mags based on the sonics but I would need to check. PRS doesn't really publish their specs but they are out there
AudioWonderland
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Re: PRS Dragon II's vs Duncans, tell me about them?
Difficult to believe since the D1 came out long before the McCarty's. The D1 bridge is also a ceramic mag. The McCartys are not.
Where are you getting your info? You really need to stop spreading this bad info
Difficult to believe since the D1 came out long before the McCarty's. The D1 bridge is also a ceramic mag. The McCartys are not.
Where are you getting your info? You really need to stop spreading this bad info
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Funkfingers
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Re: PRS Dragon II's vs Duncans, tell me about them?
Read post #6. :smack:
All that I did was draw on a different source to you, Mr. Wolf. Sadly, my source appears to have become unreliable.
Read post #6. :smack:
All that I did was draw on a different source to you, Mr. Wolf. Sadly, my source appears to have become unreliable.
aleclee
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Re: PRS Dragon II's vs Duncans, tell me about them?
I own the book and have read it cover to cover multiple times. It doesn't answer many of the OP's questions. It wasn't until fairly recently that PRS would even divulge what kind of magnets they used, let alone the wire gauge.
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Re: PRS Dragon II's vs Duncans, tell me about them?
Back to the original topic:
Not many people like the Dragon IIs. I don't know why, as I don't have any experience with them. No clue what SD pickup would be similar. However, I will say that the original Dragons are amazing. The bridge is very hot, around 17k ceramic I think (don't quote me on it). Fat and clear (like PRS describes it) pretty much sums it up. The neck is GODLY. I know you guys are PGn fanboys, but it's like a PGn that's better in every respect. It is very balanced EQ-wise. It's warm, bell-like, clear, and chimey. IMO the perfect neck pickup.
Back to the original topic:
Not many people like the Dragon IIs. I don't know why, as I don't have any experience with them. No clue what SD pickup would be similar. However, I will say that the original Dragons are amazing. The bridge is very hot, around 17k ceramic I think (don't quote me on it). Fat and clear (like PRS describes it) pretty much sums it up. The neck is GODLY. I know you guys are PGn fanboys, but it's like a PGn that's better in every respect. It is very balanced EQ-wise. It's warm, bell-like, clear, and chimey. IMO the perfect neck pickup.
misterwhizzy
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Re: PRS Dragon II's vs Duncans, tell me about them?
The hate is strong in this thread.
The hate is strong in this thread.
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MonkeyDungologist
Re: PRS Dragon II's vs Duncans, tell me about them?
your flaming is com-plete
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