jazzyjoepass
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Anyone tried doing this? I want to put in a JB/Jazz into my Epi LP. Can anyone show/share?
PRS rotary switch in LP
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jazzyjoepass
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Re: PRS rotary switch in LP
I want to use PRS switching in my LP. Don't like those push/pull pots. I feel rotary switching keeps the cosmetics right. Anybody can show me?
I want to use PRS switching in my LP. Don't like those push/pull pots. I feel rotary switching keeps the cosmetics right. Anybody can show me?
HolyDirt
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http://guitarelectronics.zoovy.com/product/WDUHH5R1101
heres the wiring with 1 tone adn 1 volume, it shouldnt be hard to get a standard lp wiring and see what you need to do to get addition volume/tone controls. good luckjazzyjoepass said:
http://guitarelectronics.zoovy.com/product/WDUHH5R1101
crazytooguy
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I've thought about doing this, too. Looked into it, and here's a couple of things:
The selector switch cavity on the LP has to be routed out some to fit a rotary selector switch (which means making a new cover plate as well). Switch I found that works is Electroswitch part no. C4D0606N-A. Mouser has them for $18.16. The wiring diagram is here - http://www.seymourduncan.com/website/support/schematics/prs_mod2.html. Note that you can't get both pickups as full humbuckers with this wiring (I mention that because it's one of my favorite rhythm sounds). I'm into versatility, though, so I may try it just to see what it sounds like. Good Luck!
I've thought about doing this, too. Looked into it, and here's a couple of things:
The selector switch cavity on the LP has to be routed out some to fit a rotary selector switch (which means making a new cover plate as well). Switch I found that works is Electroswitch part no. C4D0606N-A. Mouser has them for $18.16. The wiring diagram is here - http://www.seymourduncan.com/website/support/schematics/prs_mod2.html. Note that you can't get both pickups as full humbuckers with this wiring (I mention that because it's one of my favorite rhythm sounds). I'm into versatility, though, so I may try it just to see what it sounds like. Good Luck!
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I don't think he is planning to put it in the traditional position.
I don't think he is planning to put it in the traditional position.
jazzyjoepass
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I've seen all that, but I just can't figure out how the rotary switch works. I know guitarelectronics has the rotary switch and a couple of music online stores have them, but they all seem to be different. And looking for info on the PRS rotary switch is tough. Is the PRS switch 5 throw 4 pole or 5 throw 3 pole or what is it?
Duncan website also mentions about the reversing of the magnet, how do u do that - can that be done to duncan humbuckers with the metal covers?
thanks.
I've seen all that, but I just can't figure out how the rotary switch works. I know guitarelectronics has the rotary switch and a couple of music online stores have them, but they all seem to be different. And looking for info on the PRS rotary switch is tough. Is the PRS switch 5 throw 4 pole or 5 throw 3 pole or what is it?
Duncan website also mentions about the reversing of the magnet, how do u do that - can that be done to duncan humbuckers with the metal covers?
thanks.
Stratsky
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PRS uses a 5 throw, 4 pole switch. You can buy these switches from PRS through a PRS dealer. I ordered the old style switch (85 to 89 style) from PRS through Guitar Center. They are a little pricey at $50 a pop, but they come prewired for the old setup:
1. bridge (parallel)
2. bridge/neck (humbuckers in series and out of phase, i.e. Brian May's sound)
3. bridge/neck (humbuckers in parallel)
4. bridge/neck (one coil from each in parallel, i.e. strat)
5. neck (parallel)
I also got a schematic showing how to wire the pickups (PRS pups of course). It's too bad that the PRS forum isn't open anymore. There was a guy on it named Jim Collins who could really help you. Also Robert S on this forum can help you with this. I have the schematic that I got from PRS and a couple of old posts from Jim Collins that might help. I would have to scan them at work Monday and e-mail them to you. Let me know if you want this info.
I have a CE22 that I put DiMarzio Virtual PAF's in with the old style switch. I was going to drop a set of 4 conductor 59's in it, but I didn't feel comfortable taking a brand new pickup apart and turning the magnets around. You don't need to do that with the Virtual PAF's.
jazzyjoepass said:
PRS uses a 5 throw, 4 pole switch. You can buy these switches from PRS through a PRS dealer. I ordered the old style switch (85 to 89 style) from PRS through Guitar Center. They are a little pricey at $50 a pop, but they come prewired for the old setup:
1. bridge (parallel)
2. bridge/neck (humbuckers in series and out of phase, i.e. Brian May's sound)
3. bridge/neck (humbuckers in parallel)
4. bridge/neck (one coil from each in parallel, i.e. strat)
5. neck (parallel)
I also got a schematic showing how to wire the pickups (PRS pups of course). It's too bad that the PRS forum isn't open anymore. There was a guy on it named Jim Collins who could really help you. Also Robert S on this forum can help you with this. I have the schematic that I got from PRS and a couple of old posts from Jim Collins that might help. I would have to scan them at work Monday and e-mail them to you. Let me know if you want this info.
I have a CE22 that I put DiMarzio Virtual PAF's in with the old style switch. I was going to drop a set of 4 conductor 59's in it, but I didn't feel comfortable taking a brand new pickup apart and turning the magnets around. You don't need to do that with the Virtual PAF's.
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Re: PRS rotary switch in LP
10) Bridge (series HB)
9) Power out of phase (Both HB's [ in series, in phase] wired in series with each other out of phase) ... kinda a half ****ed wah wah sound ... really cool.
8) Inside coils in series (warm version of strat bridge and middle combo)
7) inside coils in parallel (crisp version of above strat )
6) Neck (series HB)
The later versions changed changed the 9) position to outside coils in parallel,
kinda a tele type sound. Jim Cullen can be reached via e-mail at customer service off the PRS website.
I've got some PRS schematics that PRS was kind enough to send me ... if you are referring to the original wiring, a correction is involved here ... the original wiring was:Stratsky said:
10) Bridge (series HB)
9) Power out of phase (Both HB's [ in series, in phase] wired in series with each other out of phase) ... kinda a half ****ed wah wah sound ... really cool.
8) Inside coils in series (warm version of strat bridge and middle combo)
7) inside coils in parallel (crisp version of above strat )
6) Neck (series HB)
The later versions changed changed the 9) position to outside coils in parallel,
kinda a tele type sound. Jim Cullen can be reached via e-mail at customer service off the PRS website.
Stratsky
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The old style switch that I bought from PRS is like you describe, but pos 8 is both humbuckers on in parallel. The schematic I received from PRS even states the same.
I know who you are talking about when you mention Jim Cullen. He works for PRS and I've talked to him too. Jim Collins was a PRS forum member not affliliated with PRS. The guy really knows his stuff when it comes to wiring a rotary switch for different combinations. I saved a bunch of posts from him on the subject.
Kent S. said:
The old style switch that I bought from PRS is like you describe, but pos 8 is both humbuckers on in parallel. The schematic I received from PRS even states the same.
I know who you are talking about when you mention Jim Cullen. He works for PRS and I've talked to him too. Jim Collins was a PRS forum member not affliliated with PRS. The guy really knows his stuff when it comes to wiring a rotary switch for different combinations. I saved a bunch of posts from him on the subject.
Robert S.
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I had several conversations with Jim when I first started working on my CU 24. He definately knows his stuff when it comes to PRS wiring and switching.
It may be easier to get the current PRS PC board 5 way. The only wiring involved is connecting the wires from your pickup to the PC board. All the internal connections are done at the board for you. As for the inner/outer thing, you need to flip a magnet to get the polaritys and wind directions correct. There are shortcuts like flipping the pickup 180 degrees in the mount but flipping a magnet is so easy that it's not nessessary to change the look of the guitar and the tone of the finished result by rotating the pickup.
I had several conversations with Jim when I first started working on my CU 24. He definately knows his stuff when it comes to PRS wiring and switching.
It may be easier to get the current PRS PC board 5 way. The only wiring involved is connecting the wires from your pickup to the PC board. All the internal connections are done at the board for you. As for the inner/outer thing, you need to flip a magnet to get the polaritys and wind directions correct. There are shortcuts like flipping the pickup 180 degrees in the mount but flipping a magnet is so easy that it's not nessessary to change the look of the guitar and the tone of the finished result by rotating the pickup.
jazzyjoepass
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Thanks guys.
The information that you fellas posted was what i needed - parallel, in-phase, etc.
STRATSKY/KENT, I'll need that diagram still. Pls post them to me. Thanks.
Thanks guys.
The information that you fellas posted was what i needed - parallel, in-phase, etc.
STRATSKY/KENT, I'll need that diagram still. Pls post them to me. Thanks.
Re: PRS rotary switch in LP
Then apparently they changed something a third time, the power out of phase was very useful, but apparently many didn't go for it, the last wiring I received had, bridge series, outside in parallel, inside series, inside parallel, and neck series ... they may have made a third change ... the megaswitch that does the PRS style wiring is not correct according to the old either, or the newer that I referred to gives the middle as outside coils in series rather than the inside two ... I new of Jim Cullen, but had never messed with the old fourm, so I didn't know of Jim Collins. FWIW, there was a schematic error on one of the schematics that they sent to me, so mistakes do happen. I'll have to check w/ PRS and see their new schematic ... I prefer the older version(s), but apparently many like that LP middle position thing.Stratsky said:
Re: PRS rotary switch in LP
The one's I have are for the old style switch, no pcb involved, so, you'll have to do the magnet flip that Robert described, I'll try to get them transfered to graphics (from paper, don't have a scanner), but it will probably be a couple days ... PM me if you still need them in a days or two.jazzyjoepass said:
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Man that's odd, same letter head mine is on, except mine shows series strat in the middle position, I'll have to check the effective production run dates, but i think the one I have predates this one, and then the other one post dates it ... definitely never seen this one before. I guess they couldn't make up their minds ... LOL! :cool3:Stratsky said:
jazzyjoepass
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Re: PRS rotary switch in LP
I'm really interested in learning how to use the rotary switch actually. I might want to try other positions and find which are the ones more useful.
I might go to the extent of trying 6 way, 3 poles or even more elaborate rotary switch config.
I think the humbucker (neck, bridge) positions are indipensible. I love stratty/tele tones, but yet to find out how to do that on an LP. Which gives you a more authentic strat/tele tone? Inside coils or outside coils, series or parallel, in-phase or out-phase?
Guys, which are the config you find most useful?
I'm really interested in learning how to use the rotary switch actually. I might want to try other positions and find which are the ones more useful.
I might go to the extent of trying 6 way, 3 poles or even more elaborate rotary switch config.
I think the humbucker (neck, bridge) positions are indipensible. I love stratty/tele tones, but yet to find out how to do that on an LP. Which gives you a more authentic strat/tele tone? Inside coils or outside coils, series or parallel, in-phase or out-phase?
Guys, which are the config you find most useful?
jazzyjoepass
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You mean with some ingenious rewiring, you can do without a magnet flip? Care to share how that's done?
I'm getting a 59b with nickel covers, i don't know how a magnet flip can be done. I was wishing there's someway I can correct it with some rewiring instead.
Kent S. said:
You mean with some ingenious rewiring, you can do without a magnet flip? Care to share how that's done?
I'm getting a 59b with nickel covers, i don't know how a magnet flip can be done. I was wishing there's someway I can correct it with some rewiring instead.
