PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

[Robert S.]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

Thats close artie but your diagram splits select either both north coils or south coils. In order to select one north and one south you'll need to at least swap the hot and ground on one of the sides of the dpdt on the right side. Then to get inner/outer you need to rotate the neck pickup 180 degrees in its mount.

I'm not a big fan of rotating pickups in their mounts but in this case its nessessary for true inner/outer.

 

[Artie]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

This will be easy enough to change, I just have to think about it a sec, to make sure I get it right. Revised drawing forthcoming.

 

[Artie]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

Robert, double-check me here, but I think its just a matter of doing this small change:

 

[skyydogg01]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

wouldn't a wire (black and green) swap and a Magnet flip do the job artie?

 

[Robert S.]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

You can't (don't want to) flip the magnet because that will throw the normal #2 position out of phase. Cross wiring the pickup will also do this.

Arties new schematic is dead on now. One pickup shorts to ground and the other shorts to hot at the same time. Rotating the neck pickup will now get you inner and outer and also be hum cancelling. Its not absolutely nessessary but the farther the coils are apart (as well as closer in the inner position), the more dramatic the difference in tone will be between the two split choices.

Thank you Brother Artie!

 

[Artie]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

Arties new schematic is dead on now. . .

Thank you Brother Artie!

Thanks, and you're quite welcome. This whole PRS wiring, and magnet flipping, and rotating pups things, is one of those areas where I have trouble wrapping my "logic" around.

 

[skyydogg01]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

nice, i may have to try this mod on my ESP

 

[dercross]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

oh damn.... now I'm confused as hell... but I love it!!!

so..... artie got the simple way with two ppp's? but if I'll get another two ppp's I can do the crazy JP stuff.....

with arties schematic I can split both pups... have the Gibbo middle position AND I can switch series/parallel?

oh man.... now I have to choose between simple-but-good and crazy-but-....crazy-damn-many-options-maniac-no-one-knows-which-knob-does-what-push-here-push-there-dazed-and-confused-hey-that-was-a-cool-sound-how-can-I-get-it-back-always-have-to-play-with-a-schematic-in-front-of-me-THANG

btw: didn't JP have that toggle under the pickguard thing going on as well????maybe I'll do that with my SG as well

or isn't it that bad? I mean... c'mon 21 options ain't that worse than that PRS axe with two 5way selectors? :smack: :22:

P.S.:
why the heck did you use a white stripe on a WHITE background on that diagram, artie?! who's supposed to check where it's coming from and where it's going.....http://www.artietoo.com/images/jpage_lp.gif (at RT n R pup selector) :smack: :smack: :smack:

 

[Robert S.]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

The last schematic that Artie posted only does multiple coil taps, no phase or series/parallel. I listed the 9 coil combinations possible with this wiring on the first page of this thread. Back on the first page Artie also posted a diagram of the Jimmy Page wiring, which I highly recommend but the JP wiring is a little more complicated to do. Arties schematic will allow you to split to either coil of both pickup, split inner and outer and leave the std gibby mid positiion intact.


I'll be happy to help you out getting either one installed.

 

[dercross]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

pretty damn nice of you.... I guess I'll go for the JP thing but until I will really do that there will be some time left cos first I'll have to sell the stock Gibbos, get the RioGrandes, the pots, maybe the caps...

with the JP thing I will have all the standart Gibbo stuff the PRS options(except for the #3) plus multiple more, right?

BUT STILL: what about those white wires in RT's diagram???

Thanks everyone for your help! :dance: :dance: :dance:

 

[Artie]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

Thats not actually my diagram, but I'll see if I can "touch up" those white wires so they're easier to see, when I get home.

It'll be a few hours.

 

[Robert S.]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

I can't find the ops sheet for the JP wiring that lists the 21 coil possibilities online and I have it in my PC but only my Mac is online. I'll dig a copy out and transfer it to the Mac and get you a copy.

Breifly, you can get at least 1 hum cancelling split in parallel, simular to the PRS "strat" sounding positions. There may be a second one in there, I don't remember.

You do get the #7 PRS split in series option with the JP wiring, so you'll get 4 out of the 5 PRS options at least.

The guitar will switch normally when no pots are pulled.

Its a very cool wiring.

 

[Artie]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

P.S.:
why the heck did you use a white stripe on a WHITE background on that diagram, artie?! who's supposed to check where it's coming from and where it's going.....

I believe the mystery's solved. :laugh2: At first, I couldn't figure out what you were talking about. The background is grey, not white.

Here's what happened: Thats someone else's diagram. Not mine, and they made it as a GIF. That allows you to designate any color you want as "transparent". Guess which color they designated? :laugh2:

I converted it to a PNG, (portable network graphic). Try downloading and viewing it again. Problem fixed.

Artie

 

[dercross]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

omg... how clever...


well..... thank you guys for all the help n effort...

ok.... yesterday I just fell in love with the Seymours in my SG... so I decided to keep em... now I just have to get another two ppp's to do the wiring...

questions:

a)can I keep the PPP's as Vol pots in order to do the wiring according to the diagram or will I have to resolder them as well? (don't quite get the diagram at the moment properly)

b)do I have to get 0.2 caps as the diagram tells me?

c)do the black dots in the diagram embody the soldering points and if so... could you please have a look at the rythm tone pot... there's a wire from the upper left corner that goes to the gound to the lower right corner.... do I have to solder that wire to the upper left point of the bottom part? (cos there's a black dot and no other wire leads there.... )


d) is there any reason why the one (blue) wire on the trebble volume is thicker than the others?



oh man.... wire trouble ahoi! :yell: :dance: :32:

is it as complicated as it looks? all these tiny cross wirings on the pots n stuff... do you think it'll be very expensive to give it to a tech? otherwise that might kill my nerves...

 

[Artie]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

a)can I keep the PPP's as Vol pots in order to do the wiring according to the diagram or will I have to resolder them as well? (don't quite get the diagram at the moment properly)

Hmmm . . . not sure I understand this question. You do need ppp's for the vol, and they must be wired as the diagram. Perhaps rephrase this?

b)do I have to get 0.2 caps as the diagram tells me?

You can use any value of cap that you desire. .01uf, .022uf, and .047uf are common depending on how much highs you want to roll-off.

c)do the black dots in the diagram embody the soldering points and if so...

Yes, but unfortunately, some of the white dots do too. See below.

could you please have a look at the rythm tone pot... there's a wire from the upper left corner that goes to the gound to the lower right corner.... do I have to solder that wire to the upper left point of the bottom part? (cos there's a black dot and no other wire leads there.... )

I believe so. Again, see below. :laugh2:

d) is there any reason why the one (blue) wire on the trebble volume is thicker than the others?

I don't believe so. I don't like several things about this drawing. Give me a little time, and I'm going to redraw the whole shebang. Hopefully, I'll have this done tonight.

Stay tuna-ed.
Artie

is it as complicated as it looks?

Yes . . . but you can handle it. Just wait for the revised drawing. Coming soon to a forum near you.

 

[dercross]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

thanks :laugh2: thanks. see below.








so ... to rephrase my first question:
currently I have two ppp's installed as volume pots in order to split both pickups... what I wanted to know is: can I keep it like that or are for example the tone pots on the diagram determined to split the buckers? that would mean that I'd have to resolder them so the Volume pots can do their parallel phase series whatsoever function stuff thang...... got me? see below.








caps:
umm... if I'd like my guitar to be a bit less trebbly n I've 0.47s in there.... which caps would solve that or... do the caps just affect how the tone pots function and don't change the allround sound of the guitar(with the tone pot at 10)? I jst wondered cos in the diagram theres a note that says that one should use 0.2 caps... so that ain't essential... right? see below.










soldering 'dots':
what do you mean with... some? two of em are caps and the other two are soldering points, right(black n red together n so on)? see below.










appreciate your help. thanks man! :wink:

 

[Robert S.]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

Yikes!

I assume you are going to use the Jimmy page wiring.

The neck pickup split won't need to be re-wired as that is a std way to do it but the bridge pickup split will need to be re-wired. The bridge split shorts the coil connection (red/white) to the bridge pickups hot instead of ground. If you follow the diagram Artie is working on now you'll see the difference.

I like and use .02mf caps but you can use any value that works for you. Changing to a larger value increases how much top end you pass when the pot is turned down. You will notice no difference with the guitars tone pots at 10.

You can use a .001mf so simularily valued cap across the hot and ground terminals of your output jack to take a little of the top end edge off. You might also try rolling back the treble a little on your amp while boosting the mids and bass. A better solution would be a CC in the bridge and an APH-II in the neck.

We'll get you there.....

 

[Artie]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

We'll get you there.....

Yeah . . . it's a team effort.

Just so you know, that diagram is a bit "paint" intensive. It may be as late as this weekend before I get the artie-fied version up.

I won't forget.

 

[Robert S.]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

Dercross, I emailed you the JP operation sheet that describes the coil options from the email address nokiddin40@yahoo.

Robert

 

[dercross]

Re: PRS schematic with SG and normal aftermarket pups?

I'll just stick to the good ol' THANKS!




nah.... I guess I'll keep the Jazz n the C5...

take yer time fo the diagram.... the pots aren't even ordered..... :13: