Quarter Pounders with Evolution bridge?

[Ivan75]

Ok, the guitar in question is '93. Ibanez RG470, so it has Evolutions, neck and bridge with DiMarzio True Velvet RWRP in the middle.
The more I think about it, considering some experience, the neck coil split just won't cut it. What I aim for is HSS configuration with neck and middle singles, tone similar to Andy Timons', (DiMarzio Cruisers), maybe hotter, considering the Evolution bridge. I was thinking DiM Fast Track 1, maybe Fast Track 2 for hum cancelling solution than I thoght why not Quarter Pound Flat for neck and another QP RWRP in the middle?
Too noisy, any thoughts? Thing is, I'm really into stuff like Andy Tmmons' ''Cry for you'' type of instrumentals. So, bluesy...with enough grit.
The first idea was splitting neck Evolution to get single coil neck sound - often used with the middle RWRP, for some clean and slightly overdriven sounds, plus I kind of like the full humbucker in the neck, distorted only, but I rarely use it.
Than I thought of some DiMarzio hum cancelling singles and of Quarter Pounders in the end, for some ''true single coil sound''. I know they are beefy, on the dark side (using 500K volume pot should lighten them up). They should be loud enough...
Now what would be the best solution, any opinions?

 

[gregory]

Re: Quarter Pounders with Evolution bridge?

Quarter Pound in middle and neck with an Evolution would be a great set.

It won't give you Andy Timmons tone, though.

Cruisers are extremely weak, including the bridge model. They are tonally and output-wise similar to a regular single coil. There is more than one way to skin a cat, but have you watched any videos of how Andy derives his tone?

 

[gregory]

Re: Quarter Pounders with Evolution bridge?

I'd also look into a DiMarzio Bluesbucker for the neck spot. See how you like it split with the True Velvet in the middle. Try split or parallel by itself.

Another option would be a pair of Kinman Impersonator Fat 50s. Duncan STK-S7 should also work, as would DiMarzio Area 61s for more bite. There will be a large discrepancy in level when playing clean or mid-gain for the Evo, but that's how Timmons does it (albeit not that large); and with a treble bleed which will absolutely be necessary.

To help balance the discrepancy in level, you could try the Evolution Neck in the bridge spot. That would alao provide a nice tonal balance with singles, but it definitely won't sound like the Evolution Bridge. Just as a test you could do that and pop the True Velvet in the neck.

 

[Ivan75]

Re: Quarter Pounders with Evolution bridge?

Yes I saw some Timmons' tone videos, pretty complicated.
Didn't really know someone would actually like the Q. Pounders combination.
Glad you did.
I certainly wouldn't like the singles/Evolution volume difference to be too noticeable...what about the noise, I own a Strat with true singles, guess this will make more hum?
Thanks man

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[gregory]

Re: Quarter Pounders with Evolution bridge?

Timmons's chimey clean is derived from a Keely-modded Blues Diver into the clean channel of his amp using his neck pickup with the volume rolled back that has a treble bleed. I'm not sure of the values of the C and R but would use the DiMarzio recommendation as a starting point. You don't need the Blues Driver. Any mid-gain crunch will get you in the ballpark.

The QP will definitely hum; and again, I doubt it'll give you the tone you described in your first post. From Seymour Duncan the hottest noiseless options will be the STK-S6, which will be pretty dark; and the hotter STK-S9, which will be even darker. The STK-S7 will get you in the vicinity. I'd also check out the Parallel Axis Stack. Both will get swamped by the Evolution Bridge, however.

Does the Evolution neck in the bridge and True Velvet in the neck experiment interest you any? It's a more reasonable approach than an overly-hot fat single in order to get a similar tone to what you described; though it will be on the weak end of the spectrum since it'll already be glassy without rolling back the volume. I'd still try it to get some reference point.

With the Evolution Bridge in the bridge I think the Fast Track 1 with a treble bleed will probably be your best option.

Didn't really know someone would actually like the Q. Pounders combination.

Check the guitar in my avatar. The singles are SDS-1s, though.

 

[Ivan75]

Re: Quarter Pounders with Evolution bridge?

"With the Evolution Bridge in the bridge I think the Fast Track 1 with a treble bleed will probably be your best option."

I think so too. RG Ibanez already has the treble bleed but I ordered this, it should allow more tweaking, the little cross is practically a pot:

Timmons' tone is just a starting point, an idea, I don't really like weak output pickups except in vintage Strats. Now I really rock back and forth, QPs and DiMarzios... Fast Track is hum canceling and should sound great, not too lower on volume than Evolution...

 

[gregory]

Re: Quarter Pounders with Evolution bridge?

What's the value of the cap?

 

[Ivan75]

Re: Quarter Pounders with Evolution bridge?

Wait a sec...,. 331pF I think, I will check. Yes, that's it.

 

[JB_From_Hell]

Re: Quarter Pounders with Evolution bridge?

If you like Andy's tone, you might consider his sig pickup and a BB Preamp.

 

[gregory]

Re: Quarter Pounders with Evolution bridge?

BB Preamp/Sig BB Preamp/Sig JHS Pedal/Tube Driver/Blues Driver, Marshalls, Mesas; he seems to able to get his tones regardless of what he uses.

I think it really gets back to that guitar and the way he plays it.

 

[Ivan75]

Re: Quarter Pounders with Evolution bridge?

Well I like late '60s, '70s, Blues, Blues-Rock and Texas stuff, for which I use the Strat offcourse, Hard rock (say, like newer Whitesnake albums) and instrumentals but not too shredded, so no Neo classic metal or similar. So I like more traditional stuff mostly, Ibanez is used for the latter. I have always liked super Strat guitar construction, HSS. I remember Luke as awesome guitar, great sound but I don't like the idea of active electronics in it. One of the best sounding guitars I've ever played. Didn't like the way it looks though.
What annoys me the most in this situation, I like the heavily overdriven neck humbucker more and more for some solo passages... So maybe I even stick to the coil split. Evolution neck is some 14K DC resistance wise...When using the neck /middle it sounds pretty decent. Guess a lot of people would just go and get another guitar and leave this one like it is now

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[gregory]

Re: Quarter Pounders with Evolution bridge?

...except replace that True Velvet with an ISCV2!

 

[Ivan75]

Re: Quarter Pounders with Evolution bridge?

Mmm.. naaah. Absolutely no need for that. At the time I couldn't find ISCV2 so I went for the True Velvet, never regretted, sounds great this way. I think it was this forum I have read about it as a nice Evo single replacement and the guys were 100% right. Clean or overdriven, fits in the sound perfectly.

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