Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

[Pierre]

Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

The only switch I could find was on/on/on, so I bought it anyway. I also bought a 500K push pull pot. Tomorrow or tonight I'll probably rewire the whole thing.
Would it be possible to use the on/on/on as an on/off/on as I originally intended?

Another possibility:
I take the tone control off the guitar, replace it with a 500K standard volume pot, wired only to the bridge pickup, and I wire the miniswitch as bypassed/series/parrallel. The bridge pickup will always be on, but could be turned off using its volume pot, and could also work in conjunction with the other electronics. Would that be a possible option?

Edit: Just went to my local electronics store and I found a DPDT on/off/on switch for less expensive :duh: so yep, I got the proper switch. I'd like to wire it as on/off/bypassed electronics. I need wires for it though, and I don't know what kind of wires I should buy. What's the correct gauge and type of material for guitar wires?

 

[Artie]

Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

Ok, ironically, if you want to combine the on/off function with the bypass function,
you must use the on-on-on switch. Like this:

It doesn't appear as though there's any way to do it with an on-off-on switch. Does that drawing make sense?

Artie

 

[Pierre]

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Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

On this diagram, wouldn't the 'off' position turn off the whole circuit? I don't think I quite get it...
Basically now I have 2 options:
1) if the tone control can be taken out of the midboost circuit without damaging it, I would have the bridge wired to include the volume pickup, and with the switch as on/series/parralel (I could alwyas turn it off by turning its volume control off, so need for off position)
2) do the first thing you suggested, and insert the DPDT as on the first diagram you made. It'd be wired as on/off/bypassed.


Edit: ohhhh I get it! DUH stupid me! Thanks Artie!

 

[Artie]

Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

On this diagram, wouldn't the 'off' position turn off the whole circuit? I don't think I quite get it...

No. If you used an on-off-on it would. Look at the three little blocks at the bottom. That shows how that switch works. In the middle position, the bridge is off. Flipping it up, switches the bridge in and out. Flipping it down turns the bridge on, bypassing all other electronics.

I'll have to reread the rest of your question. Not sure I understand it.

Edit:

ohhhh I get it! DUH stupid me! Thanks Artie!

 

[Pierre]

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Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

Yeah, I had a thorough look and now I get it. I need to find a wee jumper lead it seems. What type of wire do I need for guitars?

 

[Artie]

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Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

Just any basic 20 - 24 guage intercom wire will do it. Or general stranded wire. It isn't anything special. Small gauge speaker wire works, just keep it approximately pup-wire-size.

 

[Pierre]

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Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

Cheers! I'll get some tomorrow and do this thanks a lot dude.

 

[Pierre]

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Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

I got some 16/0.2 wire. It can take up to 1,000 mv, which I think is more than enough. The 24 seemed awfully thick... Maybe it was just me though. I guess I'll see how it is tonight

 

[Pierre]

Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

Oh I know what's wrong. This whole thing works on a stereo jack, and is powered by battery. Here's a link to the diagram:
http://www.jcfonline.com/resources/JC_Electronics_Manual/target7.html
Basically, there are 2 wires that join the pickups' circuit. One is connected to the miniswitch of the neck pickup and as such affects all pickups (from the tone control), the other is from the midboost and is connected to the one of the outputs. I don't quite know what I should do with it. It totally breaks the loop. Where should I put it? If I leave it there, it brings me some weird results: the pickup by itself is VERY weak and mushy and still is affected by the midboost (it almost cuts off when I get to about 2 or 1 on the midboost control).

EDIT:
I took the midboost off and tried to rewire the guitar with just a 500K push pull pot. I kept the 3 way mini for the bridge pickup. I still want it wired on/off/bypassed and the push pull splits the pickup. However for some reason it doesn't work... I think the output is the problem: I have no idea which lugs to use on it. It's a stereo output. I'll try and post a picture of how I wired it later today. Do you have a diagram for this? Even just 3 mini and one volume would help.
Input:

Wiring:

Close up input:

Miniswitch:

And here's a .... diagram of the wiring The numbers are on the DPDT of the push pull volume control for splitting later on.
I hope you see what I mean about the jack now. I have no clue how to wire it. Also, should I ground it anywhere special, and from which sleeve? Is it ok to ground pretty much everything in the same place as I did? Only the neck pickup is grounded somewhere else.

 

[Pierre]

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Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

Bump! In case anyone is able to help me...

 

[Pierre]

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Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

AH! It works!!!! MUAHAHAHAH WE DID IT!!!!

I had grounded the output from the wrong part. And I had forgotten to ground everything to the bridge :duh: So now everything works. ANDDDDD I do get bypassed electronics/off/on with volume.
Problem is, the volume control works backwards. What can I do to change this?

 

[Artie]

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Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

Heh - you worked through your problem before I saw this.

On the volume control, it just means you have the outside two lugs reversed. Keep the middle lug wire where it is, and reverse the other two. That should do it.

Artie

 

[Pierre]

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Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

Perfect!
Or that could give me that little something... Ya know, how EVH had 'Tone is volume'. I could have 'volume is 0'
Yeah ok I'll rewire it correctly soon.
On what lug of the push pull should I wire the 2 extra wires of the bridge pickup to split it though? And thanks so much for the help so far!

 

[Artie]

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Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

Like this:

. . . and, you're welcome.

Edit: That black wire should be ground if you want to split to the stud coil.
Leave it as it is if you want the adjustable coil.

 

[Pierre]

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Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

The black wire is the hot, or the ground wire? On my BKP, hot is red. And that means I'd have to ditch the switch if I have to bring the hot wire somewhere else right..?

 

[Artie]

Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

The black wire is the hot, or the ground wire? On my BKP, hot is red. And that means I'd have to ditch the switch if I have to bring the hot wire somewhere else right..?

Sorry. I thought you had Duncan's. Probably best to just make that the ground wire. That makes it simple. On a Duncan, the red/white combo goes to the center. You need to use whichever wires are appropriate to your pup.

 

[Pierre]

Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

So I keep the hot (red on BKP... I had wired my pickup wrong because of this the first time!) on its 3 way, and I un ground the ground (black) to put it on the DPDT where you drew, along with the other 2 wires still together. So only the bare wire goes to ground. Correct?

 

[Artie]

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Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

Splitting the bridge is completely independent of my first diagram. Leave everthing in it just as it is. Take the two wires that form the junction between the two bridge coils to the center of the push/pull switch. (That would be red and white on a Duncan.) Take the top lug (black in that last diagram) to ground somewhere. It can be any ground.

 

[Pierre]

Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

Ohhhh ok cheers! I'll do that tomorrow. I have 10M of wire to use :32:
Thanks a lot for everything dude I'll try and do my own things nowon hehe I'll tell you when I get the pickup too.

 

[Artie]

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Re: Quick wiring question (on how to bypass ONE pickups out of 3 from the electronics)

No prob. I love helping out. Got your cash too. Thanks.