Really, is there ANYTHING that can be done about Dimarzio's double creme patent?

Re: Really, is there ANYTHING that can be done about Dimarzio's double creme patent?

I haven't read a single post in this thread...that being said, there are MANY winders that make excellent double cream pickups. *COUGH*

And yes, super-lame of DMZ...but their pickups have all the tone of a fart into a coffee can--so should we expect any less?
 
Re: Really, is there ANYTHING that can be done about Dimarzio's double creme patent?

75lespaul said:
Hey guys, let's play nice. I only posted because I know the pickup I want to try and I can't get it in the color I want. I even emailed the custom shop and they referred me to a dealer! For all of you who say "bobbin toppers" and "who wants creme anyway" or "this thread is baloney".
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It's Balogna, not baloney. :P

In all seriousness, I can see the arguments for both sides, but I've got to say, Dimarzio's trademark does make it a pain for the consumer who wants a double creme pickup that's not Dimarzio.
 
Re: Really, is there ANYTHING that can be done about Dimarzio's double creme patent?

I just don't get it.

With some of the people's attitude here we would have gotten out of the first 100 years of intellectual property laws with no music in any normal key being written (all chords you know today patented and all melodies copyrighted in tuples of three subsequent notes), no new software could have been written after about 1962 and you'd get sued for painting your house green.
 
Re: Really, is there ANYTHING that can be done about Dimarzio's double creme patent?

In a more serious note... if DiMarzio made thinks that every double-creme p'up should be his, letting the other makers make'em would certainly help'em to the market. The more double-creme guitars they exist, the more DiMarzio would appair to be selling. Branding-wise is a hit for DiMarzio!

In a LP with creme p'ups rings and pickguard I don't particulary care for double creme p'ups as well. I LOVE seeing'em chrome covered, though. To each its own, I guess.

In what other guitar than a LP a double-creme p'up would look good? Maybe a Hamer, with its double-creme + zebra pattern?

Any other candidates? Keep'em coming.
 
Re: Really, is there ANYTHING that can be done about Dimarzio's double creme patent?

PoorMan said:
I haven't read a single post in this thread...that being said, there are MANY winders that make excellent double cream pickups. *COUGH*

And yes, super-lame of DMZ...but their pickups have all the tone of a fart into a coffee can--so should we expect any less?
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and with your 2nd half of the post, i have to buy the business a new computer. Coffee all over the place.
 
Re: Really, is there ANYTHING that can be done about Dimarzio's double creme patent?

mrturtle_91 said:
It's Balogna, not baloney. :P

In all seriousness, I can see the arguments for both sides, but I've got to say, Dimarzio's trademark does make it a pain for the consumer who wants a double creme pickup that's not Dimarzio.
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You spell "tomato", I spell "tamato"

The second line is classic. Thanks, gotta change my shorts now. :18:
 
Re: Really, is there ANYTHING that can be done about Dimarzio's double creme patent?

LtKojak said:
...Maybe a Hamer, with its double-creme + zebra pattern?...
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Yes.

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Those are Suhr pickups btw. I've also had double-cream WCR's, Duncans, and heck I even just got my first doublecream Dimarzio this week (still trying to figure out what to put it into :D). Yes, it's a bit more difficult/more expensive, but they're just pickups; they're really not all that expensive to begin with.

-Austin
 
Re: Really, is there ANYTHING that can be done about Dimarzio's double creme patent?

you put the dimarzio in something that has no tone of its own....
 
Re: Really, is there ANYTHING that can be done about Dimarzio's double creme patent?

austin said:
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That is a really beautiful Studio Artist.

I think I would wire the controls with a Master Volume and passive treble and bass pots like G&L wires their Legacy/S-500/Comanche models.

I want it.

Bill
 
Re: Really, is there ANYTHING that can be done about Dimarzio's double creme patent?

uOpt said:
I just don't get it.

With some of the people's attitude here we would have gotten out of the first 100 years of intellectual property laws with no music in any normal key being written (all chords you know today patented and all melodies copyrighted in tuples of three subsequent notes), no new software could have been written after about 1962 and you'd get sued for painting your house green.
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So facts being what they are, what do you propose to do about it?

Bill
 
Re: Really, is there ANYTHING that can be done about Dimarzio's double creme patent?

Boogie Bill said:
So facts being what they are, what do you propose to do about it?
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As I said multiple times already, the best solution is public awareness so that buyers can take this into account. After evaluating DiMarzio's actions they might decide that the best way to deal with it is not to buy DiMarzio's products to not reward this kind of "marketing" that reduces fair competition and hurts user's freedom of choice.

It should also be noted that both the granting authorities like the Patent Office and courts are getting more sensitive. In the past it has been a much bigger problem to properly defend valid intellectual property against infractions. Predatory patents and trademarks have been around for a long time, but the wide-scale abuse is a relatively new phenomenon.

It is not that the authorities actually care about the abuse as such. But the fighting causes them more work and they really don't like that. So they are more careful about evaluating patents and trademarks for being not trivial and generally require more solid and identifiable ideas and designs.

Just because DiMarzio's attack lawyer found one single dummy judge to grant them a color patent with no logo and no original shape doesn't mean that it will stay that way forever. It is just that the cost of legal fights has been driven up so much that it's not worth having the decision re-evaluated.
 
Re: Really, is there ANYTHING that can be done about Dimarzio's double creme patent?

Just to verify the double cream SD availability. They can be purchased as shop floor customs but must ship with a cover in place so pricing is the same as for a standard nickel covered pickup of whatever model you are ordering. For example, if you want a Double Cream JB the MAP price will be $90.95.
 
Re: Really, is there ANYTHING that can be done about Dimarzio's double creme patent?

Wymore Guitars said:
Just to verify the double cream SD availability. They can be purchased as shop floor customs but must ship with a cover in place so pricing is the same as for a standard nickel covered pickup of whatever model you are ordering. For example, if you want a Double Cream JB the MAP price will be $90.95.
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Does that mean that me, as the consumer, contacts the custom shop and orders the pickup, or do we have to order it through an authorized dealer? I had emailed the custom shop to ask for the price of an aph-1 double cream and they referred me to a dealer. I was under the impression we could order straight from SD as long as it shipped with a cover.
 
Re: Really, is there ANYTHING that can be done about Dimarzio's double creme patent?

If you are talking only bobbin color changes the pickup is done as a shop floor custom on the regular factory build floor. It is not a Custom Shop item. So, yes, you need to go through a dealer.
 
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