Rebuilt Pickup Question

LPCustom

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This is my first post here, so :wave: howdy, all.

Sorry for the long post. Some may find it interesting (I hope).

I have a Gibson ES-300 (1941 vintage) and I had to rebuild the pickup in it. This model of the ES-300 has a single pickup that is canted about 10 degrees off horizontal which was supposed to give better treble response. So an "off the shelf" pickup was out of the question. After the war, Gibson started putting P-90s in them. The first year the pickup was slanted about 70 degrees and went from the neck to the bridge.

The original pickup was covered in rust. The magnets were not salvageable. They came apart when I took the bronze mounting plate off the bottom. I managed to get the pole pieces out of the base bar/spacer and saved it. Other than the cover and bobbin/windings that's all I could salvage.

This pickup is constructed similar to a P-90. It has pole pieces screwed through a single bobbin into a base bar with magnets on either side of the base bar.

The only place I can find replacement magnets are at Stewart-McDonald. I bought a couple of 15Gauss magnets meant for a humbucker. They are the correct size for this pickup. I also bought new pole pieces from them. The magnet is also an Alnico-V and this pickup was originally made with ferrous magnets (I think -- they rusted).

I'm somewhat concerned over the guass rating of the magnets. I have no way of knowing what the original magnets were rated at. I'm wondering if, with the original wound bobbin, and these magnets are too strong, will I get a too hot signal out of it?

Any guidance you guys can sling my way about rebuilding this pickup (it works, by the way -- I just haven't mounted it back in the guitar) would be greatly appreciated.

I haven't put it back into the guitar, yet because there are some issues with the vintage tone pot (it's rusted in position and appears to be an open circuit). There's also a vintage cap on the tone pot that has a broken lead that I need to fix (broke it trying to get the tone pot loose) from the guitar body (it turned and I didn't notice it).

There is also a wire going from the shield of the internal wires and soldered to the tailpiece. That wire is modern. I think it was put there to ground the strings. I'm wondering if I should keep it or think of some other way to ground them.

I thought of going to Bill Lawrence to get a copy of the custom pickup they have made for other ES-300s but I don't know if I can/want to afford one of those. I also wanted to keep as much of the guitar original as possible.
 
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You know, I saw one for sale about a year and a half ago, I'll try and find out where! Post some sound clips when you get her working, I've always wanted to know what one of those pickups sounded like!
 
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Thanks, I've scoured the Internet looking for a pickup for it. I've found a number of ES-300s for sale. But, so far, except for some vintage knobs (at $395 for the pair) I haven't found any parts for an ES-300 at all.

Cheers,
Bruce
 
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I think whatever vintage advantage you dould have earned by leaving the rusted an non-functioning pickup intact is gone.

I approve of this. Feel free to go ahead and get a working tone and volume pot without paying vintage prices.

Write directly to Duncan and ask for their advice.

Hopefully you'll end up with a reasonably authentic , working 1941 instrument.

Best of luck!
 
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I sent an email to Seymour yesterday asking his advice. Bill Lawrence (whom I wrote to a couple of weeks ago) never responded. Perhaps Seymour will. The old pickup was a writeoff in it's "original" form. It sounded like a morraca (sp?) when you shook the guitar. Plus bits of rusty metal kept falling out. I think the old magnets were completely demagnetized. :o(

Putting in replacement magnets "shouldn't" affect the value of the guitar since the originals fell apart. The original tortoise cover is intact as are the original pole pieces. The pole pieces look quite rough, though. I could possibly clean them up enough to re-use them.

I found this guitar in a dumpster and it is _definitely_ a beater. Someone really abused this guitar. I think it has even been set on fire before. There appears to be heat damage to the guitar. There is also a huge hole where the output jack normally goes. Someone patched that with a wooden scab.

I've been debating whether to completely restore the guitar and forget about resale value or just fix it enough to make it playable (acoustic and electric). I don't think it will ever have good resale value as a vintage. It's too far gone for that, I think.

I asked George Gruhn about it and he said he didn't think it was in that bad shape but he hasn't seen it in his hands only a few (fairly blurry) pictures. So far, I've not done anything to it that cannot be "undone". The magnets in the pickup were already toast. So all my original options are still open.

I suppose I could send put the pickup back together (sans magnets) and send it to Duncan's custom shop for an estimate on what it would take to put proper magnets back in it.
 
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larry_emder said:
Thats an insane looking pickup. good luck, let us know how you go

That's probably the 1940 model you're looking at (the one with the 70 degree tilt). Mine has the 15 degree tilt (kind of like a Strat bridge pickup). It's still a big honker of a pickup, though. (about 1 inch thick, three inches long and 1.5 inches wide). It's covered in a mock-tortoise material. It was probably quite attractive when it was new.
 
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I have to agree with the above statement that the guitar will be worth more with WORKING parts, also if it really is as rough as you say I wouldn't be too cocerned about retail. If you sent the pup into SD they could rewind it, and put in new magnet/s, or reguass the one/s in it.

Luke
 
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