Reccomend me a good tube head...
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TwelveGauge-GT
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I thought the Laney would be better than the ValveKing,; it is a bit more expensive.
I have a Laney AOR head, how much better would the cleans be on the GH50L?
Also, What types of tubes do the Sovtek and Trace Elliot take?
Cheers!
I thought the Laney would be better than the ValveKing,; it is a bit more expensive.
I have a Laney AOR head, how much better would the cleans be on the GH50L?
Also, What types of tubes do the Sovtek and Trace Elliot take?
Cheers!
wixedmords
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My GH has a more chimey top end than my AOR. The GH isn't easily switched between clean and gain, only a footswitchable last gain stage.
My GH has a more chimey top end than my AOR. The GH isn't easily switched between clean and gain, only a footswitchable last gain stage.
TwelveGauge-GT
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Yeah, I don't mind about though because, as I said earlier, I'll br getting most of my distortion and drive from pedals.
Be honest with me, is it worth buying a new GH50L with 6L6s or is it not much better than the AOR for cleans?
Yeah, I don't mind about though because, as I said earlier, I'll br getting most of my distortion and drive from pedals.
Be honest with me, is it worth buying a new GH50L with 6L6s or is it not much better than the AOR for cleans?
TwelveGauge-GT
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suislidE03
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I cant really answer your last question.. ive never actually played a GH50L but ive heard several clips and etc of them. I did play an AOR but only clean, which did sound pretty good.
wixedmords- my friend has the valveking 2x12, my Laney was the VC50. The AOR does have cleans that are close to the VC50 though. I think the top end is more improved in the new models i believe.
If you like the Laney sound, then go for the GH50. If you dont, i recommend looking at something besides the valveking.
I cant really answer your last question.. ive never actually played a GH50L but ive heard several clips and etc of them. I did play an AOR but only clean, which did sound pretty good.
wixedmords- my friend has the valveking 2x12, my Laney was the VC50. The AOR does have cleans that are close to the VC50 though. I think the top end is more improved in the new models i believe.
If you like the Laney sound, then go for the GH50. If you dont, i recommend looking at something besides the valveking.
TwelveGauge-GT
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Don't get me wrong, I love the sound of my Laney AOR (!), I like the overdriven tone of it so much that I want to go and buy a seperate amp to use pedals and play clean on. I don't want to colour the AOR's tone with pedals.
But I don't want to go out and spend £400 on something that sounds similar but not much better in the clean department.
Yeah, I've gone off the VK, I've got three good suggestions so far:
Laney GH50L (with 6L6) VS. Trace Elliot Speed Twin H50 VS. Sovtek MIG 50.
I am leaning towards the GH50L because they are a lot more easy to find.
Thanks a lot!
Don't get me wrong, I love the sound of my Laney AOR (!), I like the overdriven tone of it so much that I want to go and buy a seperate amp to use pedals and play clean on. I don't want to colour the AOR's tone with pedals.
But I don't want to go out and spend £400 on something that sounds similar but not much better in the clean department.
Yeah, I've gone off the VK, I've got three good suggestions so far:
Laney GH50L (with 6L6) VS. Trace Elliot Speed Twin H50 VS. Sovtek MIG 50.
I am leaning towards the GH50L because they are a lot more easy to find.
Thanks a lot!
Mr Wolf
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No i got EL-34s in there. Whilst i have no experience with the AOR i think the GH series is meant to be the modern version of those so i wouldn't be surprised if theyre fairly similar.
No i got EL-34s in there. Whilst i have no experience with the AOR i think the GH series is meant to be the modern version of those so i wouldn't be surprised if theyre fairly similar.
devastone
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The Trace can take EL34s or 6L6s, I'm currently running EH 6CA7s in 100W Speedtwin. It also has 5 12AX7s.
The Trace can take EL34s or 6L6s, I'm currently running EH 6CA7s in 100W Speedtwin. It also has 5 12AX7s.
TwelveGauge-GT
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Cool, cool. Haha, hardly anyone actually uses 6L6s in them.
They can't be that similar because you can't use 6L6s in AORs and the GH doesn't have an Advanced Overdrive Response (AOR) circuit as far is I know.
wixedmords
bowdown, I think you're the only one who has tried both the amps; be honest with me, do you think it is worth getting the GH?
That's cool with the Elliot. Wow, 5 preamp tubes! Thanks.
Cool, cool. Haha, hardly anyone actually uses 6L6s in them.
They can't be that similar because you can't use 6L6s in AORs and the GH doesn't have an Advanced Overdrive Response (AOR) circuit as far is I know.
wixedmords
bowdown, I think you're the only one who has tried both the amps; be honest with me, do you think it is worth getting the GH?That's cool with the Elliot. Wow, 5 preamp tubes! Thanks.
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Hot _Grits
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I take it the fender supersonic head is more than 600 quid in Pom-land?
-I don't recommend the Peavey ValveKing, but one nice Peavey amp is the delta blues 1x15. Could fit your needs quite well.
I take it the fender supersonic head is more than 600 quid in Pom-land?
-I don't recommend the Peavey ValveKing, but one nice Peavey amp is the delta blues 1x15. Could fit your needs quite well.
wixedmords
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I like Fendery cleans. I like that chime. The GH gets about 80% or better of a Fender, which is really good considering there isn't a separate clean channel.
The AOR has more bass, and a very small bit of compression to it's cleans. Like a Marshall clean, but really really good. I can see why the AOR clean gets its props. But, it doesn't chime on the top end. It all really depends on where you want the eq emphasis of the cleans to be.
I would get more opinions than mine. Everyone has a different ear. Try one somewhere. Trust your own ear the most.
If you are looking for a Sovtek, there is a Mig 50 on TGP in Arizona.
(I had the window open for about 3 hours, look at all the other posts)
I like Fendery cleans. I like that chime. The GH gets about 80% or better of a Fender, which is really good considering there isn't a separate clean channel.
The AOR has more bass, and a very small bit of compression to it's cleans. Like a Marshall clean, but really really good. I can see why the AOR clean gets its props. But, it doesn't chime on the top end. It all really depends on where you want the eq emphasis of the cleans to be.
I would get more opinions than mine. Everyone has a different ear. Try one somewhere. Trust your own ear the most.
If you are looking for a Sovtek, there is a Mig 50 on TGP in Arizona.
(I had the window open for about 3 hours, look at all the other posts)
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TwelveGauge-GT
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Hehe, the Supersonic heads are all around £850
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I could buy 2 and a half GHs for that!
Thanks for that wixedmords, I don't suppose you have any clips comparing them?
I would have to try that MIG before I bought it but that could be a bit tricky as I live in England! Sorry.
I would say 80% of fender tone is pretty good for 30% of the price..
Hehe, the Supersonic heads are all around £850
.I could buy 2 and a half GHs for that!
Thanks for that wixedmords, I don't suppose you have any clips comparing them?
I would have to try that MIG before I bought it but that could be a bit tricky as I live in England! Sorry.
I would say 80% of fender tone is pretty good for 30% of the price..
suislidE03
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Ive heard the supersonic here at a local dealer, didnt blow me away gain wise, but the cleans were there.
Ive heard the supersonic here at a local dealer, didnt blow me away gain wise, but the cleans were there.
TwelveGauge-GT
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I'm not bothered about the supersonic, not for £850. Thanks for the input though.
Really, it's between the GH, the Sovtek MIG 50 and a Trace Elliot H50.
Clips or information on any of these amps would be helpful.
I'm not bothered about the supersonic, not for £850. Thanks for the input though.
Really, it's between the GH, the Sovtek MIG 50 and a Trace Elliot H50.
Clips or information on any of these amps would be helpful.
Hot _Grits
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I wonder if there are any smaller UK manufacturers that would do something more suitable?
-It's a bit of a bugger, really. Laney and Marshall are local and therefore cheap for you guys, and both brands aren't really known for their clean tones. And Fender and Mesa are ridiculously expensive. Even down in New Zealand we don't get hit as hard on US amps. Marshalls are marked up a fair amount, though.
To be fair, though, if all those brands were somehow UK made it would be fair if the Fender and Mesa amps did cost a bit more, as they are better made, especially in the case of Mesa.
Anyway, out of those choices, the Trace would be the easier find for you, and they're nice amps.
But much depends on your immediate needs. Do you have to buy an amp straight away, or can you wait for the right amp to come along and possibly build on your available cash pile? -is the 600 pound limit more of a psychological barrier than any practical spendng limit? -regardless, you could almost certainly get a nice fender amp like a hot rod s/h for 600 if you're patient. Check out Guitarist classifieds...
I wonder if there are any smaller UK manufacturers that would do something more suitable?
-It's a bit of a bugger, really. Laney and Marshall are local and therefore cheap for you guys, and both brands aren't really known for their clean tones. And Fender and Mesa are ridiculously expensive. Even down in New Zealand we don't get hit as hard on US amps. Marshalls are marked up a fair amount, though.
To be fair, though, if all those brands were somehow UK made it would be fair if the Fender and Mesa amps did cost a bit more, as they are better made, especially in the case of Mesa.
Anyway, out of those choices, the Trace would be the easier find for you, and they're nice amps.
But much depends on your immediate needs. Do you have to buy an amp straight away, or can you wait for the right amp to come along and possibly build on your available cash pile? -is the 600 pound limit more of a psychological barrier than any practical spendng limit? -regardless, you could almost certainly get a nice fender amp like a hot rod s/h for 600 if you're patient. Check out Guitarist classifieds...
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TwelveGauge-GT
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Thanks man. I agree with you about the cost of amps everywhere, it really is a bit of a bugger..
Are Trace British? I thought I read somewhere they were. And do you know if the H50 is hand wired like some of the other amps in the Speed Twin line?
Nah I don't need the amp immediately, just working out my next big purchase; probably wont actually buy an amp for a year or so unless a real good deal jumps out at me.
The AOR needs a retube first
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The £600 is a spending limit really, but would obviously like something below it.
Do Fender make (or have they made) head versions of any of their hot rod amps?
Because if I buy a combo, I'll be paying for the speaker(s), the extra wood, etc. all of which have been converted into an overpriced package (compared to british amps), which makes USA heads quite a bit cheaper than combos over here.
Thanks man. I agree with you about the cost of amps everywhere, it really is a bit of a bugger..
Are Trace British? I thought I read somewhere they were. And do you know if the H50 is hand wired like some of the other amps in the Speed Twin line?
Nah I don't need the amp immediately, just working out my next big purchase; probably wont actually buy an amp for a year or so unless a real good deal jumps out at me.
The AOR needs a retube first
.The £600 is a spending limit really, but would obviously like something below it.
Do Fender make (or have they made) head versions of any of their hot rod amps?
Because if I buy a combo, I'll be paying for the speaker(s), the extra wood, etc. all of which have been converted into an overpriced package (compared to british amps), which makes USA heads quite a bit cheaper than combos over here.
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TwelveGauge-GT
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Normal Hot Rod Deluxes go for about £470, but they're not a head. Do have that 'Fender' sound?
How do they compare to the DeVille 212?
Normal Hot Rod Deluxes go for about £470, but they're not a head. Do have that 'Fender' sound?
How do they compare to the DeVille 212?
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suislidE03
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Their gain channels completely blow, unless you dont care about that.
Their gain channels completely blow, unless you dont care about that.
Hot _Grits
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Well, the Hot rod series are the best selling all tube amp in the world for a reason. I request them over twins and AC30s for festival gig backlines because they're consistent, reliable and sound good.
I'd say they have a classic fender clean. A little warmer than blackface, but closer to blackface than tweed. The 2x12 has more headroom and push. I used to own the 2x12 and it was a cool amp that took pedals well. I used to get a great Van Halen-esque tone out of mine when pushed by a tube works overdrive. Nice reverb too.
The gain channel is usable, but more for a mid gain blues overdrive. It won't do a tight, modern high gain, but you're after the clean anyway.
Well, the Hot rod series are the best selling all tube amp in the world for a reason. I request them over twins and AC30s for festival gig backlines because they're consistent, reliable and sound good.
I'd say they have a classic fender clean. A little warmer than blackface, but closer to blackface than tweed. The 2x12 has more headroom and push. I used to own the 2x12 and it was a cool amp that took pedals well. I used to get a great Van Halen-esque tone out of mine when pushed by a tube works overdrive. Nice reverb too.
The gain channel is usable, but more for a mid gain blues overdrive. It won't do a tight, modern high gain, but you're after the clean anyway.
