Recent change- heavier electric strings- the cheapest effective mod possible

zionstrat

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Heads up for anyone looking for the thicker, beefier electric tones that come with heavier strings at standard tuning-

I recently moved from an unwound g to wound and suffered no negatives with tone or bleeding fingers- I had been moving this direction for a long time, and in retrospect, it was the long time that made everything easy. I'm a rock/blues guitarist and here's some history if you are interested.

If you want to play faster, fatter, with more precision, heavy strings do the trick, and I previously suggested a very slow increase in gauge.

But that isn't how I got started- I moved into heavy electric gauge, when I needed stage guitars that could handle acoustic and electric parts (Parker Nitefly and a VariAxe)-

I quickly learned that light gauge electrics strings simply cannot pull off acoustic parts, so I restrung both guitars with medium acoustic strings- At that point they worked great as acoustics, but I was totally blown away by the electric sounds- It sounded like I had upgraded every part of the chain- thicker, fatter, cleaner cleans and more crunchy crunch. Tremolo like I never imagined, faster flat picked leads, incredible intonation- everything is better.

The only problem was I couldn't bend anything and my fingers hurt. So I switched over to medium electric strings, and strengthened my hands. I played the heavier strung acoustics/electrics in tandom with my normal strung electrics and in about a year, I could bend with 12s as much as I wanted.

At that point, I moved almost all of my electrics to 11s or 12s depending on what sounds best. It's been over 10 years now and there is no way I would ever go back. I literally cannot play slinky anymore- it feels like I have slow down to 'wait for the string to recenter' and light strings simply can't handle bending that doesn't phase heavier strings (I dropped from a broken string a week to a broken string in 6 months).

But I held out forever on a wound G- Everyone I had talked to said it was hard, and I had memories of how hard it was to bend on those original acoustic strings.

However, Daddario has a 12-52 nickle bright set that was pretty much made to increase the strat sparkle on the Parker and the only downside was the wound G- I bought a couple of sets over a year ago and just waited.

I finally switched over to them over the holidays and it turns out that I had absolutely nothing to fear! After all of these years of finger calisthenics, I couldn't feel any negatives at all and the sound was beautiful (possibly the brightness of the set overcomes the expected loss of harmonics with a wound string?)

Bottom line, if you want to do it, it isn't nearly as hard as it sounds.

The only downside I can imagine is over tension for a weak neck- I have 1 guitar that is still stuck with 9s- A 1962 Les Paul/SG- they were known for weak neck joints.

So if you like this 'modification', string up an extra electric with heavy strings, strum until you can bend and then keep going!

Zstrat/Mickey
 
Re: Recent change- heavier electric strings- the cheapest effective mod possible

I'm close to 50...
I can play my acoustic, but I do not bend the G thing much!
I'm not gonna kill my fingers for that!
10-46 works just fine here thank you!
 
Re: Recent change- heavier electric strings- the cheapest effective mod possible

I'm close to 50...
I can play my acoustic, but I do not bend the G thing much!
I'm not gonna kill my fingers for that!
10-46 works just fine here thank you!

Funny, Vasshu, I almost didn't post because this is exactly how I imagine most guitarists think (including myself before the change).

I totally get it and I only made the change because it worked when I did it-

Will be interesting to see if we hear from other high gaugers-
 
Re: Recent change- heavier electric strings- the cheapest effective mod possible

I use 12-54 on my acoustic though...and high action ;)
Have used flatwounds on my Tele now and then...with the wound G string and all.....
But that was for some specialised sounds....

I have 12-53 for electric that I used for some other things, but I replaced the G with a plain one.
On my Tele it would have been murder to use it!
And way way too stiff sounding.
 
Re: Recent change- heavier electric strings- the cheapest effective mod possible

It is funny how we regularly play acoustics in the range, but the fear for electrics are almost entirely bends.

Haven't had flat wounds in ages, but would be interesting to go back and see what that is like after the work out-

How did flats on a tele come about?
 
Re: Recent change- heavier electric strings- the cheapest effective mod possible

Ah that was for some very oldschool tones...
It was quite twangy :)
Anyways I tend to pull down with the wound G string...upward stuff just feels bad...I often do the same with the low E string.
 
Re: Recent change- heavier electric strings- the cheapest effective mod possible

The only reason people think a wound third will be hard to bend is because the big-brands always replace it with a wound that is like 6-8 numbers higher.
For Eb tuning I use 10,13,18w,28,38,50
The "brands" would usually slap in a 24w or the like which is exactly why so many have a negative opinion of wound thirds.
 
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I don't have a negative opinion of wound third strings. Just not my thing, especially these days with these old worn out hands and fingers. I posted a couple of photos when a question was asked about wound thirds. The photos were comparing a whole step bend between a plain 17 and wound 18. I took the photos. Don't feel like fighting with photobucket but I'll post the thread if I find it.
 
Re: Recent change- heavier electric strings- the cheapest effective mod possible

I don't have a negative opinion of wound third strings. Just not my thing, especially these days with these old worn out hands and fingers. I posted a couple of photos when a question was asked about wound thirds. The photos were comparing a whole step bend between a plain 17 and wound 18. I took the photos. Don't feel like fighting with photobucket but I'll post the thread if I find it.

I remember the photo. (very good illustration)
You do have to bend a wound 18 further to get a whole step, but the pressure it takes to do so isn't much more, and it's even less difference if we compare a plain 18 to a wound.

It's just hard to break the notion that a wound third has to be much tighter than a plain, which it does not.
 
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I find that going too thick loses some of the air/sparkle in the top end. My thinline tele sounds amazing with 9s, decent with 10s and like poo with 11s.
 
Re: Recent change- heavier electric strings- the cheapest effective mod possible

Ain't nothin' but a G thing, baby.
 
Re: Recent change- heavier electric strings- the cheapest effective mod possible

my Hummingbird came with twelve fifty two set on it
it didnt last a weekend before those came off for a ten forty seven set

its not as loud
the twelves were so loud I couldnt talk over the guitar when I played
couldnt sing over it either

the tens give me the background music I want with the ease of play
that I bought the Hummingbird for
 
Re: Recent change- heavier electric strings- the cheapest effective mod possible

I find that going too thick loses some of the air/sparkle in the top end. My thinline tele sounds amazing with 9s, decent with 10s and like poo with 11s.

Chad, I am generalizing- the tone is definitely different from guitar to guitar-

But if you want to experiment try out these Daddaros- They would probably be too bring in a lower gauge and funny they call them Jazz-

http://daddario.com/DADProductDetai...2_52&sid=25029aa5-f080-4295-8c62-31d1efe6d923
 
Re: Recent change- heavier electric strings- the cheapest effective mod possible

been there, at some point i used 12 to 65 for e standar (25.5 scale) avaibility is the keyword to why i didn't keep such gauge, bending was no problem at all
 
Re: Recent change- heavier electric strings- the cheapest effective mod possible

Chad, I am generalizing- the tone is definitely different from guitar to guitar-

But if you want to experiment try out these Daddaros- They would probably be too bring in a lower gauge and funny they call them Jazz-

http://daddario.com/DADProductDetai...2_52&sid=25029aa5-f080-4295-8c62-31d1efe6d923

Bigger strings are great for jazz or SRV type tones, but there are definite drawbacks when it comes to rock. I'm totally in favor of heavier wound strings, my preferences range from 48 to 52 there. It also keeps the low end tighter and can handle a heavier right hand. I just find that getting into 12s or 13s, you lose something in the top end on open chords or solos. Then again, I always play with another guitarist and we don't have any issues filling space.
 
Re: Recent change- heavier electric strings- the cheapest effective mod possible

Thicker strings is a must for practicing. Light strings is must for performance. I don't think there are many shredders out there who play wild legatos, tapping, and use anything heavier than 10.
 
Re: Recent change- heavier electric strings- the cheapest effective mod possible

I used to use 12s in Eb, and got used to bending with them. I stopped because finding certain heavy sets in stores was annoying and they usually costed more, so I switched to 9s or 10s but I play in C# standard now.
 
Re: Recent change- heavier electric strings- the cheapest effective mod possible

I hate heavy strings, but I used 12s for years. Ernie Ball Cobalts are louder strings that don't needlessly hinder your playing. Beyond that, some guitars and music styles fare better with more compressed, smaller gauge strings.
 
Re: Recent change- heavier electric strings- the cheapest effective mod possible

I'm close to 50...
I can play my acoustic, but I do not bend the G thing much!
I'm not gonna kill my fingers for that!
10-46 works just fine here thank you!

Here too. My acoustics have a wound G and medium gauge strings that keep my fingers strong.

But when I play my electrics I play a different style and have to bend those strings easily.

So .010 through .046 with an unwound .017 for the G string is what I have to have on my electrics.
 
Re: Recent change- heavier electric strings- the cheapest effective mod possible

:)
I have always played with alot of bends and all that....
Don't have much of a liniar approach to whole thing....
But the acoustic keeps me honest.
Same with the Tele.

I like some fight, and I play almost everyday now...got the time right now...so might just as well invest it in some music :)
 
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