Recording Software for OS X?
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Virtual Kevorkian
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Student copy of Cubase 4 Studio. It'll run you 200 bucks.
MBox2 Mini would also be a viable choice, 300 bucks for that, or for 350 you can get an educational discount version of the MBox2.
Student copy of Cubase 4 Studio. It'll run you 200 bucks.
MBox2 Mini would also be a viable choice, 300 bucks for that, or for 350 you can get an educational discount version of the MBox2.
blueslegend8
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What's wrong with garage band? it should already be loaded on your Mac.
What's wrong with garage band? it should already be loaded on your Mac.
J Moose
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Do you have an interface?
The Motu stuff comes with Audiodesk which is basically digital performer w/o a lot of the midi... that could be one way to go.
The full version of Cubase is nothing to sneeze at either...
I've been using SX3 for a few years now... Love it. Does everything "Toolz" does but without the $15k price tag.
Do you have an interface?
The Motu stuff comes with Audiodesk which is basically digital performer w/o a lot of the midi... that could be one way to go.
The full version of Cubase is nothing to sneeze at either...
I've been using SX3 for a few years now... Love it. Does everything "Toolz" does but without the $15k price tag.
BRHGM
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Start with Garageband '08 in the iLife '08 suite for $79 and then progress to Logic Pro. These other Mac progams are horribly dated and seem to be stuck in the Mac OS 9 world of 1997. Native Instruments Kore is the ultimate program, but expensive and complex. Screw the dodgy USB hardware and go with Firewire hardware like Presonus Firebox. They also make great analog equipment. Get a good pair of speakers and headphones. You can get a pair of M-audio Studio Pro 3s and a pair of Sennheiser 280 headphones for $200. Get a Monster Cable mini to 1/4 inch cable if Firewire isn't your thing for $20. You won't have to have pedals since Garageband comes withj effects. So does Guitar Rig. Then get a Shure SM-57 or Audix I-5 or Sennheiser 609 e mike for miking cabs or vocals if you need to record an amp and Shure SM 58 or an Audix 2 or an EV N-767 mike for vocals. Unless you are miking acoustic instruments, you don't have to get a condensor mike. There are many on the market and it each has its own sound and break easily. Ribbon mikes break even more easily amd cost a lot. Good luck. I did a Garageband demo last week with a Macbook Pro and a Strat and it worked out great.
Start with Garageband '08 in the iLife '08 suite for $79 and then progress to Logic Pro. These other Mac progams are horribly dated and seem to be stuck in the Mac OS 9 world of 1997. Native Instruments Kore is the ultimate program, but expensive and complex. Screw the dodgy USB hardware and go with Firewire hardware like Presonus Firebox. They also make great analog equipment. Get a good pair of speakers and headphones. You can get a pair of M-audio Studio Pro 3s and a pair of Sennheiser 280 headphones for $200. Get a Monster Cable mini to 1/4 inch cable if Firewire isn't your thing for $20. You won't have to have pedals since Garageband comes withj effects. So does Guitar Rig. Then get a Shure SM-57 or Audix I-5 or Sennheiser 609 e mike for miking cabs or vocals if you need to record an amp and Shure SM 58 or an Audix 2 or an EV N-767 mike for vocals. Unless you are miking acoustic instruments, you don't have to get a condensor mike. There are many on the market and it each has its own sound and break easily. Ribbon mikes break even more easily amd cost a lot. Good luck. I did a Garageband demo last week with a Macbook Pro and a Strat and it worked out great.
J Moose
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Logic is highly illogical.
I'd recommend spending some time with that one before commiting to purchase. Out of the box, nothing makes a lot of sense or operates the way one would think it should...
Cubase/Nuendo and the others share some basic operating principles & have the same or similar names for most of the common tasks & processes...
The flip side is that just about EVERYTHING in Logic is customizable. Shortcuts galore. Personally, I find it ever maddening to use & have quite a few peers who found it equally fustrating to do simple things...
Any mic can be used on anything.
An amp won't blow up or sound "bad" if you stick an SM58 or something on there...
FWIW... LOTS of people use condensor mics on electric guitar cabs and all but the cheapest of 'em are very durable.
Over the years I've dropped a few... like AKGs taking a 7 foot dive onto concrete at a show and they keep working... knock over a Neumann 87 or it takes a direct hit from a drum stick...
Not that it's recommened!!! But condensor mics are anything but fragile and easily breakable, unless your referring to the glut of $89 built in China mics out there... and they aren't worth buying anywhoo!
Logic is highly illogical.
I'd recommend spending some time with that one before commiting to purchase. Out of the box, nothing makes a lot of sense or operates the way one would think it should...
Cubase/Nuendo and the others share some basic operating principles & have the same or similar names for most of the common tasks & processes...
The flip side is that just about EVERYTHING in Logic is customizable. Shortcuts galore. Personally, I find it ever maddening to use & have quite a few peers who found it equally fustrating to do simple things...
Any mic can be used on anything.
An amp won't blow up or sound "bad" if you stick an SM58 or something on there...
FWIW... LOTS of people use condensor mics on electric guitar cabs and all but the cheapest of 'em are very durable.
Over the years I've dropped a few... like AKGs taking a 7 foot dive onto concrete at a show and they keep working... knock over a Neumann 87 or it takes a direct hit from a drum stick...
Not that it's recommened!!! But condensor mics are anything but fragile and easily breakable, unless your referring to the glut of $89 built in China mics out there... and they aren't worth buying anywhoo!
BRHGM
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Cubase isn't very customizable, Neueve is expensive and Protools Lite is really dated. Yes you can use an SM 57 for acoustic instruments , but a condensor sounds better. Not many college students can afford a U87 or a U47 or an AKG 414 or a Royer or even a great dynamic like an EV 20.. It takes experience to find a combination of condensors that work for you. Students also don't own a Neve or a Trident multichannel consoles. Logic is a different program, that's why I said start with Garageband. An Sm-58 is an SM-57 with a different wind screen. The SM 57 is cheap and easy to use and is voiced well to mike cabs and people, some people like the other dynamics. You can use a condensor on a cab, but it isn't necessary and some sound too extreme. He was trying to keep it cheap. I'm not saying that condensors are bad, it takes experience to pick the right one for the job. I think the U-87 is one of the best mikes in the world. The old U-47 was even better. Few people can afford them and you certainly wouldn't want to beat them up. Even the KM-105 is over $500. Although Frank Sinatra wouldn't perform with out a Neuman mike.
Cubase isn't very customizable, Neueve is expensive and Protools Lite is really dated. Yes you can use an SM 57 for acoustic instruments , but a condensor sounds better. Not many college students can afford a U87 or a U47 or an AKG 414 or a Royer or even a great dynamic like an EV 20.. It takes experience to find a combination of condensors that work for you. Students also don't own a Neve or a Trident multichannel consoles. Logic is a different program, that's why I said start with Garageband. An Sm-58 is an SM-57 with a different wind screen. The SM 57 is cheap and easy to use and is voiced well to mike cabs and people, some people like the other dynamics. You can use a condensor on a cab, but it isn't necessary and some sound too extreme. He was trying to keep it cheap. I'm not saying that condensors are bad, it takes experience to pick the right one for the job. I think the U-87 is one of the best mikes in the world. The old U-47 was even better. Few people can afford them and you certainly wouldn't want to beat them up. Even the KM-105 is over $500. Although Frank Sinatra wouldn't perform with out a Neuman mike.
Fender_Punk
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Umm, the newest Garage Band is really something, keeps getting closer and closer to Logic. I'd say go for Logic Express or try to bootleg Logic Pro.
Umm, the newest Garage Band is really something, keeps getting closer and closer to Logic. I'd say go for Logic Express or try to bootleg Logic Pro.
Rich_T
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Wrong. This piece of mis-information has been flying around a lot recently. Look at the frequency response curves.
Please don't post if you don't know.
Wrong. This piece of mis-information has been flying around a lot recently. Look at the frequency response curves.
Please don't post if you don't know.
Virtual Kevorkian
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I'm not even going to sit through your post and negate all of the misinformation you've posted... but come on man - you're steering this kid entirely in the wrong direction.
Garageband blows. You have NO mixing capabilities with it, as far as I'm concerned.
Logic is the most illogical POS I've ever used - I did two demos with it and had it for about 6 months before selling it for Cubase.
SM57's and 58's ARE NOT THE SAME MICROPHONE.
Ribbon mic's don't break easily, but nobody at a home studio should be purchasing them - they're quite expensive and you need a great sounding room to really take advantage of them.
I'm not even going to sit through your post and negate all of the misinformation you've posted... but come on man - you're steering this kid entirely in the wrong direction.
Garageband blows. You have NO mixing capabilities with it, as far as I'm concerned.
Logic is the most illogical POS I've ever used - I did two demos with it and had it for about 6 months before selling it for Cubase.
SM57's and 58's ARE NOT THE SAME MICROPHONE.
Ribbon mic's don't break easily, but nobody at a home studio should be purchasing them - they're quite expensive and you need a great sounding room to really take advantage of them.
BRHGM
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According to the Shure site, "The SM58 and SM57 do use the same cartridge. The grill, though, does effect the frequency response to some extent. At a distance, the difference is probably not noticable. But at extremely close distances, the difference is noticeable. Due to the grill, a person's mouth can get closer to the diaphragm of an SM57, thus causing more proximity effect and increased bass when compared to the SM58.
Note that the cartridges are not interchangable because the mounting scheme is different for the two microphones."
Don't correct if you're in correct.
According to the Shure site, "The SM58 and SM57 do use the same cartridge. The grill, though, does effect the frequency response to some extent. At a distance, the difference is probably not noticable. But at extremely close distances, the difference is noticeable. Due to the grill, a person's mouth can get closer to the diaphragm of an SM57, thus causing more proximity effect and increased bass when compared to the SM58.
Note that the cartridges are not interchangable because the mounting scheme is different for the two microphones."
Don't correct if you're in correct.
Rich_T
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And here, from the very same section of the site:
"It is true the SM57 and SM58 microphones are based on the same cartridge design. The main difference between them is in the grille design. The SM58 was designed for vocal application and it uses a separate grille with a very effective pop filter. The SM57 was designed as an instrument microphone where smaller grille size is preferred. In this application the pop and wind are not usually a concern. The SM57 uses an integral resonator/grille assembly, where grille is actually a part of the cartridge. These two grille designs place the diaphragm of the microphones in a different acoustical environment. First of all, the distance from the top of the grille to the diaphragm is significantly shorter on the SM57 compared to that of the SM58. This allows for closer sound pickup with even more pronounced proximity effect. Secondly, a different resonator/grille assembly design of the SM57 is responsible for its slightly higher output above 5 kHz."
Clearly not the same microphone. The cartridge designs are "based" on the same cartridge, they are not the same.
And here, from the very same section of the site:
"It is true the SM57 and SM58 microphones are based on the same cartridge design. The main difference between them is in the grille design. The SM58 was designed for vocal application and it uses a separate grille with a very effective pop filter. The SM57 was designed as an instrument microphone where smaller grille size is preferred. In this application the pop and wind are not usually a concern. The SM57 uses an integral resonator/grille assembly, where grille is actually a part of the cartridge. These two grille designs place the diaphragm of the microphones in a different acoustical environment. First of all, the distance from the top of the grille to the diaphragm is significantly shorter on the SM57 compared to that of the SM58. This allows for closer sound pickup with even more pronounced proximity effect. Secondly, a different resonator/grille assembly design of the SM57 is responsible for its slightly higher output above 5 kHz."
Clearly not the same microphone. The cartridge designs are "based" on the same cartridge, they are not the same.
Bludave
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Garage Band!! its free and real easy to use does a great job. If you buy a Microphone preamp like the Mbox, that will come with Pro tools. That should be all th recording software you need. you can then add a variety of plug ins and such from there!
Garage Band!! its free and real easy to use does a great job. If you buy a Microphone preamp like the Mbox, that will come with Pro tools. That should be all th recording software you need. you can then add a variety of plug ins and such from there!
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Rich_T
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That I can agree with, i've got some more than passable results on vocals with a 57.
That I can agree with, i've got some more than passable results on vocals with a 57.
J Moose
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Tom Petty's been using a 57 for his live vocal for oh.... couple decades now.
Won't sing into anything else...
Tom Petty's been using a 57 for his live vocal for oh.... couple decades now.
Won't sing into anything else...
timorousme
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From what I've heard, GarageBand '08 is vastly improved, and I've been getting by with '07 for over a year now. It gets the job done better than any other free application as far as I'm concerned.
From what I've heard, GarageBand '08 is vastly improved, and I've been getting by with '07 for over a year now. It gets the job done better than any other free application as far as I'm concerned.
Fender_Punk
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I'm not sure you've used the same programs I'm talking about. I'm not even go into it with you on Garage Band as we'd be here all night which isn't worth it for a free software app. As for Logic, it definitely isn't illogical and it puts out some great sound. Logic Pro pwns anything else I've ever seen or heard of, and I'm sure to sound engineers I know, one who owns a studio would agree when I say it's one of the best on the market.
I'm not sure you've used the same programs I'm talking about. I'm not even go into it with you on Garage Band as we'd be here all night which isn't worth it for a free software app. As for Logic, it definitely isn't illogical and it puts out some great sound. Logic Pro pwns anything else I've ever seen or heard of, and I'm sure to sound engineers I know, one who owns a studio would agree when I say it's one of the best on the market.
wahwah
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Just to offer an alternate perspective, I have been using Logic Express to record and mix for the past 2 years and have found it to be an excellent program. Once you have an understanding of what's called "The Environment," it is a very simple and effective piece of recording and mixing software. This is a matter of setting up your own customizable templates for the working environments you will most often use. Once that is done, it is a very powerful and intuitive program. I think a lot of people who don't take the time to get a grip on The Environment end up struggling with it and dismiss it, but there's a reason why you will very often find this program, albeit the Pro version, in many studios worldwide, alongside Pro Tools. It has a much better MIDI implementation than Pro Tools, which makes it a very versatile system. It's also worth noting that this is an Apple product, and therefore works seemlessly with a Mac and OSX.
Cheers...........................wahwah
Just to offer an alternate perspective, I have been using Logic Express to record and mix for the past 2 years and have found it to be an excellent program. Once you have an understanding of what's called "The Environment," it is a very simple and effective piece of recording and mixing software. This is a matter of setting up your own customizable templates for the working environments you will most often use. Once that is done, it is a very powerful and intuitive program. I think a lot of people who don't take the time to get a grip on The Environment end up struggling with it and dismiss it, but there's a reason why you will very often find this program, albeit the Pro version, in many studios worldwide, alongside Pro Tools. It has a much better MIDI implementation than Pro Tools, which makes it a very versatile system. It's also worth noting that this is an Apple product, and therefore works seemlessly with a Mac and OSX.
Cheers...........................wahwah
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