Report: G12-65's and G12T-75's in a Sunn 412 cab

[CTN]

Good trade I made, methinks.

The guy had a JCM900 cab which had 2 G12-65's and 2 G12T-75's, but he actually wanted to get the cab back to a 4x G12T-75 config.

His loss, my gain.

BOOYA!

I wired them in an X pattern with my remaining T-75's, and they kick ass!!!

The cab now has a very open, natural-sounding midrange, not that scooped garbage I had with the quad of T-75s. It's also got nice attack on the highs, without sounding too sharp or fizzy. Lows are big and percussive, but balanced, and a bit restrained (which I like). Treble is also smooth and open sounding. I think this makes a kinda neutral sounding combo, especially because the sensitivity for both types of speakers is the same, (97db), it's a really even Soundstage coming from both pairs of speakers.

The JCA100h distortion was killer. Clear, crisp, defined, and the leads really sing. At first I was like "Oh Yeah!!!! Sweet, juicy, beautiful mids!!!" Nice amount of grittiness in the mids, but not overpowering like the V30, thump in the lows, crisp highs. Then I was like

I switched to clean, and it sounded pretty much exactly how I like cleans to sound. Wonderfully warm, and really breathe-y if that makes any sense. Like the sonic version of the smell of rich mahogany.

This is really letting the character of my amp out, and I love it!

 

[King IzzO)))]

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Good job dude, great speakers they are.

 

[sbecker67]

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Oh snap, I'm sorry, I forgot to try this out and give you my opinion. Glad it turned out for the positive and it's good to know.

 

[Laughing Kookaburra]

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Is your Sunn cab a taller rectangle type of cab?

Sounds like you hit the jackpot in terms of tone...congrats!!

 

[CTN]

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Oh snap, I'm sorry, I forgot to try this out and give you my opinion. Glad it turned out for the positive and it's good to know.

No worries dude, I kept hearing that just about any non-mid-scooped speaker would sound great with the T-75s, and I knew that the G12-65's had a good reputation for being punchy, crunchy and clear, so I was reasonably sure that I would see an improvement. I was pretty surprised by the quality of the improvement. I did not expect that kind of clarity and openness.

Is your Sunn cab a taller rectangle type of cab?

Sounds like you hit the jackpot in terms of tone...congrats!!

Thanks man! It's not really rectangular, it's the square one that came from the 90's Fender-owned redesign era. Still a pretty sweet cab. It tends to beam a bit because it's a bottom/straight cab, but I don't mind so much. When standing in front of it, the thing RIPS

 

[sonnyblu]

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I hope I can add to this discussion when I do the same thing... in a 4 X 12 Egnater Cab.

 

[uOpt]

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I wish you didn't like them.

A need a couple

 

[MetalManiac]

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I think you should like it. I have an old 4x12 Sun that has original 60 watt Sunn Alnico speakers , and for your G12-65/ T75 's, I think its fairly similar. I think it should sound a lot more old Fender tweedish sounding ( looser/bassy, ballsy and warm) however, in that the Sunn cabinet is so much larger in volume it doesn't have the 'oomph' that a Marshall 4x12 would- not a good thing for the guy in your Avatar. It would favor a early NMV Fender or old Plexi sound more than a JCM -TS8 or Mesa sound.
Congrats on the score- those speakers should be one hell of a match!

 

[uOpt]

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G12-65 === pure win. I just wish they weren't so expensive. Filling a 4x12" really hurts

 

[Gearjoneser]

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What a fool he was. He's probably just installed them and is trying to convince himself he didn't just make a mistake. lol

 

[CTN]

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MetalManiac...I like them a lot! But, you couldn't be further from the truth. Not sure why though.

Compared to when I had all G12T-75's in my cab, the low end is full and percussive but tight, mids are a lot warmer but with a good amount of crispness and detail, the treble is evenly balanced, a touch on the smooth side.

It is definitely ballsy and kinda warm, but not the least bit loose or overly bassy. The sound I like to dial up with my amp is closer to JCM/cranked Plexi territory than Mesa, but the JCA has a pronounced grunt in the low-mids, which give it a more modern 6505 kinda vibe. With the G12-65s in my cab, I hear all the crisp detailed mids of the marshall-esque sound, but the low end and low-mids are fat, punchy and throaty.

if anything it has MORE oomph than a Marshall cab. Having played my amp through a whole bunch of other cabs (Marshall, Mesa, Jackson, Behringer, & Peavey). The Marshall tended to be very crisp and crunchy, but didn't have much detail or depth in the sound. the Mesa (V30s) was boomy and constrained in the mids, the Jackson was pretty good sounding - not sure what kinda speakers it's got, but my other guitarist is using it at the moment. The Behringer had a whole lot of punch and sizzle (Jensen C12N's) but the mids were really relaxed and I had problems hearing myself in a band mix. And lastly, the Peavey sounded good, but not very detailed.

the G12-65/G12T-75 mix is loud, clear and really hi-fi sounding. I have absolutely no problems hearing myself at practice, despite the fact that my drummer is right next to my cab, and I have to compete with a loud bassist, another guitarist, and a keyboardist. In addition to that, I LOVE the sounds I can get out of this. My cleans sound lush, warm and sparkly, the crunch has loads of attitude and sizzle, and the high gain stuff is like a mad, grunting warhorse.

Epic win on my part, methinks.

 

[MetalManiac]

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MetalManiac...I like them a lot! But, you couldn't be further from the truth. Not sure why though.

Compared to when I had all G12T-75's in my cab, the low end is full and percussive but tight, mids are a lot warmer but with a good amount of crispness and detail, the treble is evenly balanced, a touch on the smooth side.

It is definitely ballsy and kinda warm, but not the least bit loose or overly bassy. The sound I like to dial up with my amp is closer to JCM/cranked Plexi territory than Mesa, but the JCA has a pronounced grunt in the low-mids, which give it a more modern 6505 kinda vibe. With the G12-65s in my cab, I hear all the crisp detailed mids of the marshall-esque sound, but the low end and low-mids are fat, punchy and throaty.

if anything it has MORE oomph than a Marshall cab. Having played my amp through a whole bunch of other cabs (Marshall, Mesa, Jackson, Behringer, & Peavey). The Marshall tended to be very crisp and crunchy, but didn't have much detail or depth in the sound. the Mesa (V30s) was boomy and constrained in the mids, the Jackson was pretty good sounding - not sure what kinda speakers it's got, but my other guitarist is using it at the moment. The Behringer had a whole lot of punch and sizzle (Jensen C12N's) but the mids were really relaxed and I had problems hearing myself in a band mix. And lastly, the Peavey sounded good, but not very detailed.

the G12-65/G12T-75 mix is loud, clear and really hi-fi sounding. I have absolutely no problems hearing myself at practice, despite the fact that my drummer is right next to my cab, and I have to compete with a loud bassist, another guitarist, and a keyboardist. In addition to that, I LOVE the sounds I can get out of this. My cleans sound lush, warm and sparkly, the crunch has loads of attitude and sizzle, and the high gain stuff is like a mad, grunting warhorse.

Epic win on my part, methinks.

That might make sense..isn't the Mesa or Bogner cabinet oversized? And my experience is with the Sunn 4x12 with vintage Alnicos, which could make most of the difference. Good luck.

 

[CTN]

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yeah, the Mesa was an oversized. The V30s in that sound very funny compared to other cabs I've heard with V30s. even the Mesa traditional/Stiletto V30 cab sounds full and alive. in the oversized recto cab, there's woofy, loose low end courtesy of the cab, and the V30's mid spike does no favours to the mids and highs.

 

[Van Noord]

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Sounds like a real winner dude.
I just picked up two WGS ET65's and put them in a Marshall 4x12 with V30's. Very detailed and crunchy pairing.
I used to have the V30's mixed with GT75's but decided to try something different. I may try the ET65's with GT75 too, but I'm pleased with the current mix I have.

 

[MetalManiac]

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I have a old Marshall JCM cabinet loaded with original g12-65's. Celestion says of the G12-65's( Heritage) that its the voice of 80's rock. Boy are they right. With the closed back smaller Marshall they get that very warm crunchy , percussive and resonant, but edgy and articulate sound. If I am not mistaken, the G12-65's are kind of a reaction to guys wanting half crunch/half clean later in the late 70's early 80's.. like Eddie Van Halen did when mixing Altec $17's with old G12m-20 watters.
(wheres TGWIF when we need him?)
They do sound great.
My first choice probably wouldn't be 12-t75's to mix with the 12-65's. I think I'd go 12k- 85/100's, for more of that clean'ish crunch thang. One obvious choice is certainly IS the 12t-75's to pair with the G12-65's though, for similar efficeincy and power ratings.

 

[xxxplorer]

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I for one like both the 65s and the 75s. If you have a good amp with mids already, then you dont' necessarily need the speaker to have a ton of mids... kind of like in a les paul a custom 5 or 59 can work wonders, but both can be scooped and shrill in the wrong guitar. Same with the 75s imho.

Sounds like a really nice setup. I'm glad you are digging it!

 

[papersoul]

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I am surprised the T-75 and G12-65 mix well. The 65 alone I found to not sit in a band mix well enough for me and needs mixing with a V30. A V30 also mixes well with e &-75, I would think the 65/75 mix would lack mid cut.

 

[JeffB]

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65s are the unsung heroes of the Celestion world, Kinda like the steroid using big brother of the GB

 

[Van Noord]

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There was an imbalance in the sound when I mixed ET-65's and GT-75's in an x pattern. The WGS versions are said to sound a bit different than the original Celestions, but I've never heard the original 65's or the reissues in person before.

 

[papersoul]

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An imbalance in the sound when you mixed ET-65's and GT-75's? How so? I know the V30/T75 mix perfectly, I would think the 65/75 would be similar. Maybe a 65/V30 would be a better mix.

G12-65s are great but a bit mellow alone in a cab if you play hard rock, better to mix them!