Rerproducing the Epiphone "TV Pelham Blue" with Reranch stuff

[St_Genesius]

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Yes and no. The grain shows through the old ones too, though it's a solid color, not a translucent tint. It's kinda hard to explain, but I'm sure a google image search will make some sense of it for you.

The vintage ones were solid mustard yellow from what I've heard.

 

[That90'sGuy]

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I wish more guitars had the grain showing. One of my favorites was the Gibson custom shop TV white Les Pauls

Thanks OP, I hadn't even realized that pelham blue versions of those existed. They look amazing!

 

[St_Genesius]

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Well, by doing a little more research, I think I *may* have an answer. I'm thinking that if I followed the instructions here: http://www.reranch.com/tv_yellow.htm but substituted a can of Reranch Pelham Blue for the yellow, I might get similar results. I've emailed Bill at Reranch to see what he thinks.

 

[treyhaislip]

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I wish more guitars had the grain showing. One of my favorites was the Gibson custom shop TV white Les Pauls

Thanks OP, I hadn't even realized that pelham blue versions of those existed. They look amazing!

I agree! I love the wood grain showing on my guitars and those Pelham Blue versions do look amazing!

 

[St_Genesius]

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Welp. Bill says no. Back to square one. I think I may get some mahogany samples and just test some methods.

 

[ehdwuld]

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Tinted Varnish

Is my guess

*(Sent from my durned phone!)*

 

[St_Genesius]

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I've ordered some painting supplies and am going to experiment on some scrap mahogany. I'll let y'all know what I figure out -- if anything.

 

[zenmindbeginner]

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I've noticed that Wudtone has influenced the finishing practices of the major manufacturers.

Epiphone's TV Pelham TV Blue is a trans finish... and the TV probably does stand for "trans-varnish".

Pelham blue dye is made by mixing: transparent white+transparent blue+transparent black

I can't tell if there was white grain filler used or of it has something on the order of the "silver highlights" that Wudtone uses on top of their base coats.

Probably something on the order of a Pearl EX powder was added to either the grain filler or the trans dye itself.

I'm glad the OP is practicing on mahogany but: trans white/trans blue/trans black + a white grain filler + a Pearl EX powder = success

 

[St_Genesius]

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I hadn't heard of Wudtone before. That's very interesting.

In the pics I posted, it sure looks like they put some sort of light grain filler over the color coat, but in others the grain looks darker than the blue. I'm gonna try a few different shades.

Collings has a black finish with white grain that they call, alternator, Dog's Hair or TV Black. It's done with a tinted seeker and white grain filler. The effect is much stronger than on these, but with a lower contrasting color like Pelham Blue, I might, if I can keep the color costs light enough to prevent filling the grain, be able to get pretty close.

 

[zenmindbeginner]

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I hadn't heard of Wudtone before. That's very interesting.

In the pics I posted, it sure looks like they put some sort of light grain filler over the color coat, but in others the grain looks darker than the blue. I'm gonna try a few different shades.

Collings has a black finish with white grain that they call, alternator, Dog's Hair or TV Black. It's done with a tinted seeker and white grain filler. The effect is much stronger than on these, but with a lower contrasting color like Pelham Blue, I might, if I can keep the color costs light enough to prevent filling the grain, be able to get pretty close.

The grain gets filled first before the color coats... if you can't find a white grain filler you can tint it with white trans dye.

I'd use an oil based grain filler and enhance it with some silver Pearl EX powder.

 

[St_Genesius]

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Normally yes, but not in Reranch's TV Yellow or Colling's Dog's Hair methodology.

The grain gets filled first before the color coats... if you can't find a white grain filler you can tint it with white trans dye.

 

[Wattage]

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Sand a block of mahogany smooth, no filler no sealer. Then shoot your paint.

The Epi color is a little metallic, try something from duplicolor you can get at a local autoparts place. Then use their clear over it, light thin coats.

I think you'll be pretty close. You might have to sand the color back a t bit to get the level of transparency you want, a little experimenting and you'll get it.

 

[GilmourD]

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Sand a block of mahogany smooth, no filler no sealer. Then shoot your paint.

The Epi color is a little metallic, try something from duplicolor you can get at a local autoparts place. Then use their clear over it, light thin coats.

I think you'll be pretty close. You might have to sand the color back a t bit to get the level of transparency you want, a little experimenting and you'll get it.

If he ends up spraying with a gun rather than rattle cans, couldn't he get a metallic Pelham Blue and mix it with clear (or a clear with metallic particles) to get the transparency?

 

[St_Genesius]

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I haven't found any pelham blue paint in a non-rattle can form yet, but if I do, one of the things I'm gonna try is thinning it out a bit to make spraying it without accidentally filling the grain a little easier.

 

[dominus]

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Get this and tint it blue:

 

[Wattage]

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If he ends up spraying with a gun rather than rattle cans, couldn't he get a metallic Pelham Blue and mix it with clear (or a clear with metallic particles) to get the transparency?

The color itself isn't going to be that opaque. If you spray it over raw wood you are going to see the grain thru it especially if you give it a very light sanding. You can spray from a gun but if you don't have one....

 

[rgand]

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I've touched up aircraft paint with a re-chargeable spray bottle much like one of these when I couldn't get a spray rig to it. You can mix any color you want this way.
http://www.amazon.com/Reusable-Refillable-Multipurpose-Aerosol-Bottle/dp/B009IY6IHS

 

[Artie]

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I might be the "odd man out" here, but if I want "grain", I want the guitar to be a natural finish. If I want color, then I want to see the color.
It's just me. :dunno:

The primary reason I'm GAS'ing for an Epiphone Joe Bonamassa sig LP, is for the Pelham Blue.

Joe-Bonamassa-Pelham-Blue

 

[ItsaBass]

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I appears as if they simply didn't use grain filler. I would assume that to make up for this, they put ****-tons of clear on it in order to allow it to both fill the grain and level out (same basic reason metal flake finishes require a lot of clear). If you wanted a smooth surface in the end, you'd also have to use tons of clear...or just let the grain remain unfilled, as I did on my green Esquire. Personally, I love it that way.

 

[rgand]

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Itrsabass, that does look good.