Rickenbacker - Worst guitars ever?

Re: Rickenbacker - Worst guitars ever?

I don't know about any of that Marshall stuff, except that they make great amps...

But for those of you that don't like Rics, you should try some Ric copies.

There's a few here in San Antonio at Spacetone Music that have thicker necks and feel a little more solid than most of the Rics I've played.
 
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Nope, there are more than a few companies who were and are putting quality amps for pretty much the same number of years. JCM800 is very interesting "event" all those classic 80s tones were done with them .. but with generations of different and significant mods. JCM900 is ok but its just a good amp that's about it, comparing to a really good product that Marshall use to release in the 70s. Sorry but the fact is marshall has a lof "air jordan nikes" hype to it. Most of the "guitar gods" of blues/rock/hardrock/metal from early seventies and on mention Hendrix and Page as their influences with unprecedented frequency. What's ignorant is to call anybody who questions status quo - ignorant, ok buddiiee?


Besides Fender- what other amplifier company has had any kind of large scale commercial success dating back to 1963?

There's more to Marshall than the JCM 800 and the JCM 900. The reason the "guitar gods" used (and in many cases still use) Marshalls is because they're good amps. While it is true that "Marshall stack" is nearly synonymous with "rock star," there's a reason that it came to be that way.

Whether you believe "the Marshall sound" to be "hype" or not is irrelevant- the fact is Marshall led the way in overdriven rock guitar sound for (at least) the first 20+ years of rock, and the fact is the "Marshall sound" spawned and continues to spawn legions of clones and copies attempting to emulate what Marshall amplifiers have done for the past 40+ years.

What is ignorant is railing against the status quo with no concept of how or why the status quo is in place.

I also don't understand the logic of:

'guitar hero plays Marshall'
plus
'guitar hero cites Page and Hendrix as influence'
equals
'everyone who plays Marshall does so to emulate Page and Hendrix'
 
Re: Rickenbacker - Worst guitars ever?

Nope, there are more than a few companies who were and are putting quality amps for pretty much the same number of years. JCM800 is very interesting "event" all those classic 80s tones were done with them .. but with generations of different and significant mods. JCM900 is ok but its just a good amp that's about it, comparing to a really good product that Marshall use to release in the 70s.

i still beg to differ man.. didnt a JCM900 head run £900 new when they first came out?

that kind of wedge will get you any of their handwired reissue range today - the market's gone in the player's favour!
 
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The Golden Boy,
Please, commercial success, well windows are complete crap from engineering stand point of view never the less they dominate PC's software support market, commercial succes yep, great let's use this as great indicator of a "super user" type of product quality in modern economy. They are commercial success exactly for the reasons i've mentioned: a snow ball of generations of "guitar" gods. The history of rock is full of stories that people used them for their loudness back in the day on stage but in the studio was a different story, i.e. the story of AC300 in a 4X12 cab by Blackmore while everybody thought it was marshall just because he used it on stage. I never said they emulated Page or Hendrix, cheap technique on your behalf. They just used because it was a prestige thing, you gotta have marshall to be cool on stage and the sound of marshall is "it" never mind the "Sabbath" - Laney, Queen - Vox, Pink Floyed - Hiwatt, ask around, in the U.K. they don't have the same "GOD" of amps status as they do here. You remind me of mine soviet union middle school teachers who went nuts when kids spoke againts the party line.
 
Re: Rickenbacker - Worst guitars ever?

Actually, no, not for a hand built American made set neck guitar.

They may be "niche" guitars, but they do there own thing well.

Me, I always thought Les Pauls & PRSs were overpriced. Used utility Rics can still go for under a grand.

I agree.

A neck-thru guitar with dual truss rods, good woods like Bubinga, semi-hollow models, unique rocking pickups, 24-fret necks, a big solid bridge, Schaller tuners, beautiful finishes.

A Ric is a hoss of a guitar, like a hot-rodded take on a 335.

I agree that the Toaster pickups may not exactly produce bone-rattling crunch, but fab up some custom mouting rings and put some Duncan humbuckers in and you're set.

Some of the metal-guys even take the less expense Dakota and Catalina neck-thru models, route them out, and load them with EMG's.
 
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The Golden Boy,You remind me of mine soviet union middle school teachers who went nuts when kids spoke againts the party line.

Okay, so we went from
1. I just can't get into Rickenbackers! The basses are great though.
2. I can relate to that sentiment!
3. I wanted one because of John Lennon but I didn't dig it
4. Rickenbacker is just an image/brand, the fact that the Beatles used them sells them. Like Marshall (Page/Hendrix)
5. Actually, Marshall has been making great amps for decades
6. ?????????????????

Let's steer the thread back on course. I think rickenbackers are their own special breed. I think that they are fantastic value, but they could use some updated engineering/electronics. The jangle is a freaking hot tone, 12 string especially. Ricks have something nothing else has.
 
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The Golden Boy,
Please, commercial success, well windows are complete crap from engineering stand point of view never the less they dominate PC's software support market, commercial succes yep, great let's use this as great indicator of a "super user" type of product quality in modern economy. They are commercial success exactly for the reasons i've mentioned: a snow ball of generations of "guitar" gods. The history of rock is full of stories that people used them for their loudness back in the day on stage but in the studio was a different story, i.e. the story of AC300 in a 4X12 cab by Blackmore while everybody thought it was marshall just because he used it on stage. I never said they emulated Page or Hendrix, cheap technique on your behalf. They just used because it was a prestige thing, you gotta have marshall to be cool on stage and the sound of marshall is "it" never mind the "Sabbath" - Laney, Queen - Vox, Pink Floyed - Hiwatt, ask around, in the U.K. they don't have the same "GOD" of amps status as they do here. You remind me of mine soviet union middle school teachers who went nuts when kids spoke againts the party line.

Re: Windows Comparison...

Is a Marshall the amplifier that's issued to you when you buy your guitar, or do you have a choice of what amplifier to use? On a typical store bought PC, do you have a wide choice upon purchase on operating systems? If your system does not come with Windows, do you go out and buy Windows?

Do you stop to think, perhaps the reason people used Marshalls is because they deliver what the artists desire? You can go back and find plenty of performance pictures and footage of people using amps and cabs other than Marshalls- Or did many bands find that audiences turned their backs on them if they used some other sort of amplification?

You didn't answer why amplifier companies, and a lot of them, still emulate Marshall designs and sounds? Whether in design or in digital modeling?

As far as using other amplifiers in the studio... I use different amps, different cabs, all kinds of things that may not be available to me. That's what recording is. Different layers, different textures- as far as I go though, the base of most everything I've recorded is the Marshall. And in every live application, I prefer the Marshall because it works.

You never said they emulated Page or Hendrix... So what is it you're saying here?
Like that amp company which still rides the history that of two Jimmie playing it.
I think Marshall got its popularity for the fact of Page and Hendrix playing them and looking so cool doing it,
Most of the "guitar gods" of blues/rock/hardrock/metal from early seventies and on mention Hendrix and Page as their influences with unprecedented frequency.
Or are you saying that Page and Hendrix just used Marshalls as a prestige thing?

Marshall has remained competitive in the market because they have the sound that is the "standard." Regardless if you choose to rail against the status quo, the fact is Marshall has been THE sound of rock amplification for over 40 years. They've been on the forefront of rock amplification technology from the beginning. I don't know if you think you're David trying to knock down the Goliath, but Marshall's reputation has been built on performance before anything else.

Tell me about the successful EL-34 powered amps prior to Marshall.

Tell me about usable master volume amps prior to Marshall.

Tell me about usable cascading gain stages before Marshall/Park.

Tell me about 100w guitar amplifiers before Marshall.

Tell me about diode clipping gain stages in amplifier preamps prior to Marshall.

Although I like that whole "soviet union" thing, the fact is unsubstantiated opinion does not constitute fact. To present it as such displays a lack of regard for logical thought. Prove your theory.

Yes, Marshall has a reputation. That reputation has been earned through innovation over the course of 40+ years of amplifier design. Yes, a lot of "guitar gods" have used Marshall amplifiers. Their amplifiers have been quality amplifiers in terms of quality and reliability for decades. Keep in mind, Hendrix had an endorsement deal with Sunn which he ignored and bought his Marshalls on his own.

Continued...
 
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Continued...

I take it you're a Laney fan. Rather than looking at the relative lack of success with Laney as a conspiracy to promote Marshall, think of why Laney didn't thrive the way Marshall did. Why didn't high profile users use Laney? Why didn't Vox take over the market- they had the Beatles? That's as high profile as you can possibly get. Why didn't Hiwatt assume the throne after Townshend switched to Hiwatt? Marshall got their initial push through Townshend. Marshall, although established, didn't have the absolute corner on the market. Orange, Hiwatt, and Laney among others had significant footholds in the 'arena rock' market through several high profile endorsements and high profile users.

Think Occam's Razor... Sometimes the most obvious reason is the true reason.
 
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holy crap. You guys are really going at it....someone's going to get banned.
 
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Ok Golden boy .... I really don't want to hijack this thread this is my last post, here if you wanna continue start another thread.
1) the reason companies like Splawn, Bongner and the likes are thriving because Marashall hasnt done well what it use to do in more than 20 years, that's why some people are willing to pay more for the best Marshall around - Bogner.
2) Marshall never had the same status in U.K. as it did and you know that. Pete Townsed, shmownsed, it was Hendrix with his full stocks and Page that made it a "rockstar" thing, Hendrix and Page had the impact on the guitar players beyond any other players that came before them it just plain obvious, and the biggest thing is that it became big here, then the rest of the world saw american bands play marshall and it was just a snow ball of sorts.
3) I don't say marshall sucks nuts, its a very good amp, that created some legendary tones, so did others, like Vox, Laney, Hiwatt, Fender but Marshall by no means is a definition of overdrive, grit, or what ever it is you call it. Its just a company which had the right product at the right time. They were other amps producing great tones at the same time.
4) Stop saying "ignorant" so much, you sound like micheal jackson.
 
Re: Rickenbacker - Worst guitars ever?

I have a 4001 years ago and sold it......I needed the money and I regreted selling it because I love the tone. So a few years ago I bought a 4003 Midnight blue one and its almost as nice.
 
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Rickenbacker... it's sad to hear that they are so bad... I've always dreamed about having a 12 string "jingle-jangle" toy like that. I remerber when I was 14 or 15 I was listening to the Byrds a lot, and that guitar was THE GUITAR to have.
Never had the chance to try one, but it is still a dream guitar! :scratchch
 
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I've been GASsing for a Rick 4001 or 4003 for a few months now. I've never owned a bass, but hearing and seeing a few guys play the Ricks have made me want to pick one up myself. It doesn't hurt that I love the tones that Chris Squire and Geddy Lee get from their 4001s.

- Keith
 
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i love Rickenbackers lots and lots but only for stylistic reasons. I think they look amazing. I've played a few and never really managed to get a sound i like out of them. Having said that, i played a 330 that had a the absolute perfect neck for my hands. felt like it was made for me. never played one that even got close before or since
 
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I nominate this thread for one of the dumbest threads ever.

Just because someone doesn't enjoy a Rik doesn't mean they are bad guitars. Couple them with the right amplifiers and they have amazing tone. I for one love how they play and to me they are great guitars.
 
Re: Rickenbacker - Worst guitars ever?

I've been GASsing for a Rick 4001 or 4003 for a few months now. I've never owned a bass, but hearing and seeing a few guys play the Ricks have made me want to pick one up myself. It doesn't hurt that I love the tones that Chris Squire and Geddy Lee get from their 4001s.

- Keith

Do yourself a favor and go play some Fender P or J basses or pick up a G&L L-2000 for a little bit of both.

And when you get in the mood for that sound go listen to those guys.

It will essentially put you in a position that most bass players take a dozen years to get into.

Nothing sounds like a Ric.

Of course, nothing also feels like a Ric or is engineered like a gaggle of first-year Engineer students after being awake for three days huffing paint like a Ric.
 
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